Are there some gender prejudices involved in this debate?

[ladiesbballcoach]

I have wondered and even stated something in the past and wondered whether BGP, or at least those opinions who I hold in high regard, think I am off base or not.

 

The last 5 girls basketball championships have been from a private school and it looks like LexCath is the favorite for this year.

 

I believe volleyball has been dominated by the private schools.

 

I believe soccer has had a strong, strong private school influence over the past few years.

 

I believe some of the other "minor" sports have seen some domination on the girls side.

 

If this was occurring on the boys side would it have been an issue earlier or even a bigger issue than it already is?

 

I believe it would have.

[All Play No Work]

I have wondered and even stated something in the past and wondered whether BGP, or at least those opinions who I hold in high regard, think I am off base or not.

 

The last 5 girls basketball championships have been from a private school and it looks like LexCath is the favorite for this year.

 

I believe volleyball has been dominated by the private schools.

 

I believe soccer has had a strong, strong private school influence over the past few years.

 

I believe some of the other "minor" sports have seen some domination on the girls side.

 

If this was occurring on the boys side would it have been an issue earlier or even a bigger issue than it already is?

 

I believe it would have.

 

I don't think you are off base in a way.

 

It would depend on the sports that were dominated.

 

If the last 5 Boys Basketball champs were won by private schools then yes it would have been an issue earlier.

 

If the last 5 Boys Swimming champs were won by private schools then probably not.

[ladiesbballcoach]

I don't think you are off base in a way.

 

It would depend on the sports that were dominated.

 

If the last 5 Boys Basketball champs were won by private schools then yes it would have been an issue earlier.

 

If the last 5 Boys Swimming champs were won by private schools then probably not.

I agree.

[stick1]

I have wondered and even stated something in the past and wondered whether BGP, or at least those opinions who I hold in high regard, think I am off base or not.

 

The last 5 girls basketball championships have been from a private school and it looks like LexCath is the favorite for this year.

 

I believe volleyball has been dominated by the private schools.

 

I believe soccer has had a strong, strong private school influence over the past few years.

 

I believe some of the other "minor" sports have seen some domination on the girls side.

 

If this was occurring on the boys side would it have been an issue earlier or even a bigger issue than it already is?

 

I believe it would have.

 

I think probably so. I would love to say that I think of it from a boys/girls perspective but I get tunnell vision with it thinking about how it will effect football. I don't think you are off base at all with that thought.

[HIGHLANDS GUY]

I have wondered and even stated something in the past and wondered whether BGP, or at least those opinions who I hold in high regard, think I am off base or not.

 

The last 5 girls basketball championships have been from a private school and it looks like LexCath is the favorite for this year.

 

I believe volleyball has been dominated by the private schools.

 

I believe soccer has had a strong, strong private school influence over the past few years.

 

I believe some of the other "minor" sports have seen some domination on the girls side.

 

If this was occurring on the boys side would it have been an issue earlier or even a bigger issue than it already is?

 

I believe it would have.

 

If you take into account that maybe private school elementary and jr. high teams develop talent much better than public schools, then would it still be a problem that private schools dominate?

 

I know that Catholic schools do an excellent job developing volleyball players. Much better than public schools. Should it surprise anyone that they dominate?

[cshs81]

To say your theory has no validity would be foolish.

[ladiesbballcoach]

O my goodness...a private/public thread that all the posters have so far agreed upon....isn't that one of the signs of the apocalyspe??????

[ladiesbballcoach]

I am not trying to be flippant or trying to start a fight but truly wonder, why the difference in girls and boys sports. Why are private schools so much more powerful in girls sports? Why does their success so much higher than the boys private schools?

 

For example, in the AP poll on BGP....

1. Lexington Catholic

2. Scott Co.

3. Assumption

4. Mercy

5. Iroquois

6. Sacred Heart

6. Christian Co.

8. Franklin-Simpson

9. Louisville Christian

9. Central Hardin

 

1/2 of the top 10 schools are private. I don't think you would see a situation in the boys side where this might occur. I very well may be wrong.

 

Why are private school girls so much more dominate than boys private schools?

[UNDERTHEBRIDGE]

I agree with you here that there is some bias. Basketball at least lately is most definately being dominated by private schools when it comes to girls sports, however because it isn't a boys sport, little is said about it. Soccer for girls isn't as private dominated, I actually think lately its been split between private/public pretty evenly but still if a sport like that were dominated by privates it still wouldn't get much talk. Guys sports just seem to get the most attention so yes there is a prejudice. We definately would have heard more shouting if boys basketball was dominated by private schools, just look at Lex Cath's 90's run, that coupled w/ the Henry Clay upset in football were the main factors in the Fayette Co. boycott of us.

[ladiesbballcoach]

I agree with you here that there is some bias. Basketball at least lately is most definately being dominated by private schools when it comes to girls sports, however because it isn't a boys sport, little is said about it. Soccer for girls isn't as private dominated, I actually think lately its been split between private/public pretty evenly but still if a sport like that were dominated by privates it still wouldn't get much talk. Guys sports just seem to get the most attention so yes there is a prejudice. We definately would have heard more shouting if boys basketball was dominated by private schools, just look at Lex Cath's 90's run, that coupled w/ the Henry Clay upset in football were the main factors in the Fayette Co. boycott of us.

Based on your comments, it seems you are a LC alum or present student.

 

Why do you think girls sports are so much more dominated by private schools? I would assume feeder systems for girls/boys in private are similar. I would assume the support system is similar. But there is a noticeabley difference.

 

I have no clue why and am wondering.

[WISEOLDOWL]

I am not trying to be flippant or trying to start a fight but truly wonder, why the difference in girls and boys sports. Why are private schools so much more powerful in girls sports? Why does their success so much higher than the boys private schools?

 

For example, in the AP poll on BGP....

1. Lexington Catholic

2. Scott Co.

3. Assumption

4. Mercy

5. Iroquois

6. Sacred Heart

6. Christian Co.

8. Franklin-Simpson

9. Louisville Christian

9. Central Hardin

 

1/2 of the top 10 schools are private. I don't think you would see a situation in the boys side where this might occur. I very well may be wrong.

 

Why are private school girls so much more dominate than boys private schools?

 

First of all let me preface my post by saying that if the Boys sweet 16 is ever dominated by private schools the way the girls has been the past several years there would be changes made.---- As for the above --- I feel that the main reason why privates are more dominate in girls basketball are resources and priorities. Many public schools do not place great emphasis on athletics. Others only emphasize certain teams (usually football and boys basketball). This creates more competition in those areas making it more difficult for privates to dominate. I feel that privates stress athletics as a means to increase enrollments. I think that this is a huge misconception of privates. They do not recruit athletes to their schools. They simply create better programs that entice parents to send the kids to those schools. So, because fewer public schools emphasize the "lesser" programs (girls basketball, soccer, golf, CC, etc. etc) privates benefit. If my child was interested in golf, and the public school did not emphasize it, I would definitely enroll them in a private school that did.--- If I lived in Louisville and had a daughter that wanted to play basketball, she would definitely attend one of the top privates (Mercy, Assumption, Sacred Heart, etc), but my son could attend a public (Male, PRP etc.)

[ladiesbballcoach]

First of all let me preface my post by saying that if the Boys sweet 16 is ever dominated by private schools the way the girls has been the past several years there would be changes made.---- As for the above --- I feel that the main reason why privates are more dominate in girls basketball are resources and priorities. Many public schools do not place great emphasis on athletics. Others only emphasize certain teams (usually football and boys basketball). This creates more competition in those areas making it more difficult for privates to dominate. I feel that privates stress athletics as a means to increase enrollments. I think that this is a huge misconception of privates. They do not recruit athletes to there schools. They simply create better programs that entice parents to send the kids to those schools. So, because fewer public schools emphasize the "lesser" programs (girls basketball, soccer, golf, CC, etc. etc) privates benefit. If my child was interested in golf, and the public school did not emphasize it, I would definitely enroll them in a private school that did.

Excellent post and very good information. The bolded sounds very interesting view of the situation and probably very accurate.

 

Thanks you old hooter you.

[BGGreen]

First of all let me preface my post by saying that if the Boys sweet 16 is ever dominated by private schools the way the girls has been the past several years there would be changes made.---- As for the above --- I feel that the main reason why privates are more dominate in girls basketball are resources and priorities. Many public schools do not place great emphasis on athletics. Others only emphasize certain teams (usually football and boys basketball). This creates more competition in those areas making it more difficult for privates to dominate. I feel that privates stress athletics as a means to increase enrollments. I think that this is a huge misconception of privates. They do not recruit athletes to their schools. They simply create better programs that entice parents to send the kids to those schools. So, because fewer public schools emphasize the "lesser" programs (girls basketball, soccer, golf, CC, etc. etc) privates benefit. If my child was interested in golf, and the public school did not emphasize it, I would definitely enroll them in a private school that did.--- If I lived in Louisville and had a daughter that wanted to play basketball, she would definitely attend one of the top privates (Mercy, Assumption, Sacred Heart, etc), but my son could attend a public (Male, PRP etc.)

 

I think you're hitting the nail on the head here. As an example, my kid's elementary/middle school (Catholic) had 3-4 teams in each grade in boy's and girl's volleyball and basketball out of classes of 75-85 kids!! Similar numbers participated in soccer, softball and baseball which were not necessarily school sponsored teams. In addition, each grade had a couple of AAU or select type teams for those interested in more serious competition and commitment. Swimmers, tennis players, golfers, etc. also participated in much larger % numbers than their public school counterparts.

 

My point is that participation on both the boys and girls side was much greater; and I'm convinced increased numbers = better results. More experienced athletes (boys or girls) will produce better results. Often, we'd have 2-3 teams in a single league or tournament due to the lack of offerings by other schools; and we were typical of the other Catholic elementary schools in our area. Call it priorities, focuses, lack of parental involvement (especially coaching), etc. but the net result is more kids dotting the rosters of the area high schools, with more successful teams.

[All Tell]

Most private school athletic directors got drug kicking and screaming into compliance with Title IX. Most only paid lip service to it before they were literally forced to address differences between boys and girls sports. The all-girls private schools did not have to rely on taking scraps from boys sports and built strong programs and as someone else stated the coed schools used girls athletic as a means to attract students so they put money into them. IMVHO the reason there is such a discrepancy in the apparent talent levels on girls teams at private vs. public schools is because for years girls knew they would be treated shabbily at many public schools so they opted to go to private schools. Now that those schools have the best teams, the better athletes gravitate there because of a desire for success.

 

And to answer the question, yes, if pritave school boys mirrored the success of female counterparts in basketball I have no doubt this movement would have started years ago.

[UNDERTHEBRIDGE]

Based on your comments, it seems you are a LC alum or present student.

 

Why do you think girls sports are so much more dominated by private schools? I would assume feeder systems for girls/boys in private are similar. I would assume the support system is similar. But there is a noticeabley difference.

 

I have no clue why and am wondering.

 

 

I'm and alum of LC, to be honest the program just kinda built up based upon early success coupled w/ problems in other programs, mainly being the whole Frankfort area high school teams. Early on, ecspecially that first state title team, I can't think of a girl on the team who anyone could make a great case for not belonging on the team. That really jumpstarted the program as more girls came. Obviously Todd coming over was a huge factor for Chowning though I can't say Lex Cath really had an influence in her moving there but she ended up at the school. Other girls who were very talented surrounded her. Lexington Catholic does have AAU teams and Middle School teams (at least now only fed by schools identified as privates affiliated with Catholic) and its run very well really building skills. With the second title the Knights suddenly attracted a lot of talent outside Fayette Co. as well as in and with places like Franklin and Frankfort having its problems that didn't hurt much. So basically that is at least now why LC is so strong.

 

How this is different from other schools? Well most county schools can't go out of county for girls like Lex Cath can which helps their draw. Otherwise, the most talented girls come to them and being in a bigger area anyways that just increases advantage. Obviously I like to think my alma mater doesn't illegally recruit, and while I know we have now been found to have broken KHSAA rules, none have been given enough detail to prove to me that Lex Cath's violations were meant for athletic purposes completely and not just trying to help someone out. I do admit though that some circumstances seem to have just been handeled the wrong way. Oh well, that is some speculation from me, whether im right or not, who knows???? :confused: