If you are failing one class at Lloyd you are ineligible for the following week.

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It put more players on the sideline than anyone outside the program realizes this past Season. My only problem is that early in the Season, it's not a true measuring stick. I have seen kids fail the first test in their AP Class forced to sit. I agree with the high standard, just noticing the rough spots as well...

I kinda understand what you are saying. It is important to maintain a good gpa and pass your classes, but there are certain circumstances were the only reason a player may graduate from high school is b/c of sports. There are some athletes as well as other students who flat out can not maintain a C average. These students would drop out of school w/out sports and usually do drop out of school and end up on the streets...b/c they are not qualified to play HS sports.

 

"These students would drop out of school w/out sports..."

 

Am I the only one that sees the problem with this phrase ?!? Sports is not be a tool to keep kids in school. Rather, sports is an allowed extra for earning an average (a "C") grade in class !!

 

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"These students would drop out of school w/out sports..."

 

Am I the only one that sees the problem with this phrase ?!? Sports is not be a tool to keep kids in school. Rather, sports is an allowed extra for earning an average (a "C") grade in class !!

 

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I disagree!! Suprise!!!! :lol: :eek: If that will keep that particular kid motivated or willing to work in school- so be it!! The end justifies the means. They want to play sports, they stay in school, they graduate. Looks like a "win,win" scenario to me!

I kinda understand what you are saying. It is important to maintain a good gpa and pass your classes, but there are certain circumstances were the only reason a player may graduate from high school is b/c of sports. There are some athletes as well as other students who flat out can not maintain a C average. These students would drop out of school w/out sports and usually do drop out of school and end up on the streets...b/c they are not qualified to play HS sports.

 

 

Unless they are mentally handicapped , there is no reason an athlete should NOT be required to maintain a C average. What does football qualify you for out in the "real world" ? Maybe you can make it as a hod carrier or something.

When I was in school, we were required to maintain a 2.0 GPA. I don't remember hardly any students having to sit out. But then we did not check grades every week. They were checked every marking period, not sure if that included the mid-term progress reports or not. But that would rule out the rough start at the beginning of the year and the GPA is pretty reflective over a longer period of time.

 

I know of some STUDENT-athletes that goofed off and did not apply themselves their first two years of high school and were just barely eligible each week. They ended up with a 1.1-1.3 GPA. Come the junior year when they were to start to begin looking at colleges, they couldn't even tell them what their GPA was for fear that the school would never talk to them. Now they face an uphill battle to get their grade to the minimum of a 2.0 for most colleges to get a scholarship. And if the grades are not there and the athlete is not skilled enough for Division II or higher, there is no hope since D III only give academic scholarships.

 

I disagree that a student cannot get a 2.0 GPA in high school. Take a typical class schedule. One English, one math, one science, one art (or band), one history and maybe a gym class or something else. Say a student gets a D in math and science. Easily remedied by getting a A or B in gym, band, art or whatever. The rest of the classes need C's or to average out to that. There is no punishment for a student getting a D in a class, it just needs to be balanced with a higher grade in another. The aim is to have average grades in most classes and if there is a subject that the student struggles in they are not punished for it. And theoretically, you could have a 2.0 GPA and still be failing one class (though usually it is unlikely).

 

I think that if our athletes were held to a higher standard, Kentucky would not be trailing in academics nationally. And isn't that the goal of a school? To educate the student. Athletics is merely an extension of the classroom.

I disagree!! Suprise!!!! :lol: :eek: If that will keep that particular kid motivated or willing to work in school- so be it!! The end justifies the means. They want to play sports, they stay in school, they graduate. Looks like a "win,win" scenario to me!

 

The only "winner" in this setup is the school's gate $$$... !!

 

Perhaps I've missed something. What exactly IS this "motivation" for this kid to put effort in his classes ?? If this same "motivation" can push the kid to "pass" 3/4 of his classes, couldn't it also push him to get a college qualifying 2.0 gpa ??

 

Of course there is one advantage to such a low standard, the student will always have his "glory days" on which to reflect after his "unskilled labor" (read, "low wage job") workday.

 

Don't forget..."core curriculum" classes MUST be passed to graduate. Current KHSAA standards don't make the same distinction for play eligibility. What this means is...it's possible for a student athlete to not qualify to graduate yet never lose eligibility to play. :sssh:

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I think that if our athletes were held to a higher standard, Kentucky would not be trailing in academics nationally. And isn't that the goal of a school? To educate the student. Athletics is merely an extension of the classroom.

 

VERY well said !! :thumb:

WHAT ABOUT A SCHOOL THATS IT'S RULE IS AFTER IT'S FIRST SIX WEEKS A STUDENT WAS PASSING, BUT WAS STRUGGLING IN ENGLISH. IN THE 7TH WEEK THAT STUDENT IS NOT PASSING ENGLISH, SO IN THE 8TH WEEK SAID STUDENT CAN NOT PLAY SPORTS FOR ONE WEEK. IN OTHER WORDS A STUDENT AT THIS SCHOOL THAT IS IN LOUISVILLE COULD HAVE SIX A's AND ONE U AND COULD NOT PLAY. IS IT FAIR THAT AT WHAT COULD BE A IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR SEASON THE STUDENT CAN'T PLAY?. BUT BY STATE RULES THEY CAN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME A STUDENT COULD BE FAILING MATH AND ART CLASS AND NEVER MISS A PLAY. THIS RULE WAS SET BY ITS SPDM. 8 SCHOOLS THEY PLAY IN FOOTBALL PLAY BY THE STATE RULE, JUST WANT AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD.

Don't forget..."core curriculum" classes MUST be passed to graduate. Current KHSAA standards don't make the same distinction for play eligibility. What this means is...it's possible for a student athlete to not qualify to graduate yet never lose eligibility to play. :sssh:

 

Actually, weekly grade checks are only part of the eligibility requirement. The AD must check at the end of each year to be sure that the student is progressing at a rate to graduate. The KHSAA rule book clearly defines what that means. So a student would not be eligible if they continued to fail two classes a year. Eventually it would catch up to them.

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It put more players on the sideline than anyone outside the program realizes this past Season. My only problem is that early in the Season, it's not a true measuring stick. I have seen kids fail the first test in their AP Class forced to sit. I agree with the high standard, just noticing the rough spots as well...

 

GT, I've been told that the teachers at Lloyd MUST give the kids multiple opportunities each week. In other words, they can't give a test the first week of a semester without giving credit for homework or a quiz, etc. According to this person, your one test scenario should never happen. Not sure if it does or does not though, just what I was told.

The only "winner" in this setup is the school's gate $$$... !!

 

Perhaps I've missed something. What exactly IS this "motivation" for this kid to put effort in his classes ?? If this same "motivation" can push the kid to "pass" 3/4 of his classes, couldn't it also push him to get a college qualifying 2.0 gpa ??

 

Of course there is one advantage to such a low standard, the student will always have his "glory days" on which to reflect after his "unskilled labor" (read, "low wage job") workday.

 

Don't forget..."core curriculum" classes MUST be passed to graduate. Current KHSAA standards don't make the same distinction for play eligibility. What this means is...it's possible for a student athlete to not qualify to graduate yet never lose eligibility to play. :sssh:

 

Motivation varies from student to student, for some it extrinsic and others intrinsic. Not sure why the use of sports to motivate students that would not be in some instances bother you so. Don't some parents motivate with $, others with lincense or other privileges. Do what you are suppose to do in school and you will be eligible for your sport. Yes for some sports is the one major force in their lives. If it is the difference between being an active participant in school and down the road in the real world versus being a non-vital citizen who just takes up space so be it!

Motivation varies from student to student, for some it extrinsic and others intrinsic. Not sure why the use of sports to motivate students that would not be in some instances bother you so. Don't some parents motivate with $, others with lincense or other privileges. Do what you are suppose to do in school and you will be eligible for your sport. Yes for some sports is the one major force in their lives. If it is the difference between being an active participant in school and down the road in the real world versus being a non-vital citizen who just takes up space so be it!

 

OK then, go on to the next part...

 

If sports DOES motivate the student-athlete to "pass" his schoolwork at (very) minimum levels, why should it not "motivate" him to get a "C" average ?!? (the grade level that could actually be useful to the student)

Me 3.0

My oldest 3.6

My youngest 3.0 (too much like his dad) :lol:

 

My point, grades were used as a tool to make me want to pass in order to a.) play football, and b.) be able go to college and play football. Without the rule, I probably wouldn't have done as well, and neither would my kids. It ties in with the whole "hard work in order to get somewhere" philosophy I live, and teach my kids.

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If sports DOES motivate the student-athlete to "pass" his schoolwork at (very) minimum levels, why should it not "motivate" him to get a "C" average ?!? (the grade level that could actually be useful to the student)

The KHSAA weekly eligibilty rule is horrible. A student must be passing in 4 hours of weekly instruction. If a kid is failing that badly, then he probably needs to spend more time on academics and less on athletics.

There are other factors to be considered. If one kid has a B in remedial math and the other has a D in calculus, should the D be suspended? I think that one consequence of overly inflexible rules is that the kids will "dumb down" their schedule. I think that performance in the classroom is a place where the coach needs to work with the teachers to do what is best for the kid. For one kid a C in a class may be a result of goofing off. For another, it may be their best work. I knew a coach once that sat a kid down for a couple of games, not because he was failing, but because the kids teacher reported that the kid wasn't working at close to his potential. That is the way it should work.