The Libs say its a living document when we deal with the 2nd.

 

I say it is when we deal with the quoted.....they meant we didn't need to have one church, like England, but that any man can worship God(the one in the Bible) any way he wants....but we need to be Christians....

So I guess all the non-Christians should get the hell out?

Clyde, please keep in mind that this nation was founded under God and all of it's current problems stem from a lack of reverence to him. I personally don't see anything wrong with a man espousing good christian values in office. In case you disagree, I copied a nice informative article for your respectful consideration.

 

I think you misread or misinterpreted his statement. This country consists of the two groups he mentioned but it's FILLED with those who are somewhere in between. No one said that the POTUS cannot have a religious stance or viewpoint. What most of the country does NOT want is the extremist who governs first and almost soley from THEIR religious viewpoint instead of that of the great majority of the country. On the other extreme, Mr. Ritchie and others (including me) are also saying we can't be governed by the extreme left.

 

You disagree? Cool.

 

Someone on the far left disagrees as well. That's cool, too.

I'm not saying that at all, I'm just showing what could be read into it, like everyone else does with the BOR..

When I want clear headed, objective thinking on politics and religion, I immediately turn to a level-headed, unbiased source of such classics as "I Am the Bullgod" and "Devil Without a Cause", who also shills for Black Cherry Flavored Red Stag Bourbon.

 

Yep... Bobby Ritchie is the dean of American history and the voice middle-America.

When I want clear headed, objective thinking on politics and religion, I immediately turn to a level-headed, unbiased source of such classics as "I Am the Bullgod" and "Devil Without a Cause", who also shills for Black Cherry Flavored Red Stag Bourbon.

 

Yep... Bobby Ritchie is the dean of American history and the voice middle-America.

 

He's no different than you and I. We all have an opinion. I think his take speaks for the majority.

 

BTW good to have you back on here.

He's no different than you and I. We all have an opinion. I think his take speaks for the majority.

 

BTW good to have you back on here.

I suppose it all depends upon how you determine our "differences". In certain broad aspects we might appear to be virtually identical. In other more specific areas, we are a universe apart.

 

In regard to our opinions... these are what separate or unite us. I'm in no way suggesting that Bobby Ritchie or Clyde or Fastbreak are not entitled to their opinions... and you are as free to side with Kid Rock as I am to think he is a bit of a misguided superficial buffoon.

 

Thanks for the warm welcome... :thumb:

Our great nation will be just fine. I'll remember my roots when I become World Tsar.

I suppose it all depends upon how you determine our "differences". In certain broad aspects we might appear to be virtually identical. In other more specific areas, we are a universe apart.

 

In regard to our opinions... these are what separate or unite us. I'm in no way suggesting that Bobby Ritchie or Clyde or Fastbreak are not entitled to their opinions... and you are as free to side with Kid Rock as I am to think he is a bit of a misguided superficial buffoon.

 

Thanks for the warm welcome... :thumb:

 

We're clear on your low opinion of him.

 

We're not clear as to your feelings regarding his claim that I posted.

We're clear on your low opinion of him.

 

We're not clear as to your feelings regarding his claim that I posted.

Well, it isn't exactly an epiphany. It's been a well know fact for most people since there were bible thumpers and pot-smoking hippies.

Clyde, please keep in mind that this nation was founded under God and all of it's current problems stem from a lack of reverence to him. I personally don't see anything wrong with a man espousing good christian values in office. In case you disagree, I copied a nice informative article for your respectful consideration.

 

Fourth of July: Remembering America as Nation Under God"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: that it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." - John Quincy Adams

 

by Christian TodayPosted: Tuesday, July 6, 2004, 2:25 (BST)

 

America became a free country on July 4, 1776, however, what many may not know - or forget - is that America is also a nation under God founded on Christian principles.

 

54 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians, 27 held theology degrees. Many went on to form Bible societies.

 

The signers intended the document to officiate the separation between America and Great Britain. However, they based the Declaration which has served as a foundation to the beginnings of the American nation upon a greater foundational belief that God, or as written in the Declaration “Creator”, was the source for men’s irrevocable rights.

 

Samuel Adams, who signed the historic document and writer of the Rights of the Colonists (November 1772), once said, "Just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty, in matters spiritual and temporal is a thing that all men are clearly entitled to by the eternal and immutable laws of God and nature, as well as by the laws of nations and all well-grounded and municipal laws, which must have their foundation in the former."

 

Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration, also believed "God who gave us life gave us liberty.”

 

Two of the Continental Congress’ first actions were to hire military chaplains and to purchase 20,000 Bibles to remedy a national shortage.

 

Although America was already a free nation during the presidency of George Washington, the first president of the United States, he suggested that only religion could uphold its morality. During his farewell address he said, "And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

 

Even if America’s roots were traced back to its primitive stages, the marriage between the early inhabitants of the land and Christianity are inseparable. The Pilgrims clearly stated the purpose for their voyage even before stepping off the Mayflower: “...undertaken for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith...”

 

The U.S. Supreme Court also identified America as a Christian nation in 1892, after 10 years of examining hundreds of documents on the foundation of the country. The justices came to the unanimous conclusion that the documents undeniably "add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a religious people, a Christian nation."

 

 

John Quincy Adams, the sixth president of the United States, summed up the historic event that led to America's independence best when he said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: that it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

 

The conviction that God cannot, and should not be moved from the social and governmental construct of America continues to echo in the voice of the USA's more recent leaders.

 

According to the late Ronald W. Reagan, the 40th President of the United States, "Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience....without God there is a coarsening of the society; without God democracy will not and cannot long endure....If we ever forget that we are one Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."

 

Katherine T. Phan

 

For every John Q. Adams there are 20 Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin like characters amongst the founding fathers. I don't have a problem with a religious man in office but I think this country was founded on alot more than just religion. Religion played a huge part in it, but I don't think it can accurately be depicted as the sole reason for the great country we have today.

It is God who gives and takes away. This country has reached it's zenith of power. The religious, moral, political, and social decay in this country is palpable. You would think that man would have learned from the Roman Empire, but we clearly haven't. Hopefully one day America will once again revere our Father in Heaven and pray for His blessings on this free nation that He has provided. If not, we only have ourselves to blame for the consequences. Our Leadership is a direct reflection of the state of our Union. Without a leader with Christian values, we're a rutterless ship.

It is God who gives and takes away. This country has reached it's zenith of power. The religious' date=' moral, political, and social decay in this country is palpable. [b']You would think that man would have learned from the Roman Empire, but we clearly haven't[/b]. Hopefully one day America will once again revere our Father in Heaven and pray for His blessings on this free nation that He has provided. If not, we only have ourselves to blame for the consequences. Our Leadership is a direct reflection of the state of our Union. Without a leader with Christian values, we're a rutterless ship.

 

I thought Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire when it fell.

It is God who gives and takes away. This country has reached it's zenith of power. The religious' date=' moral, political, and social decay in this country is palpable. You would think that man would have learned from the Roman Empire, but we clearly haven't. Hopefully one day America will once again revere our Father in Heaven and pray for His blessings on this free nation that He has provided. If not, we only have ourselves to blame for the consequences. Our Leadership is a direct reflection of the state of our Union. Without a leader with Christian values, we're a rutterless ship.[/quote']

 

We have many leaders with Christian values, including our president, VP and Speaker of the House.

Well, it isn't exactly an epiphany. It's been a well know fact for most people since there were bible thumpers and pot-smoking hippies.

 

Yet the supposed leading candidate is thumping as loudly as possible.

Yet the supposed leading candidate is thumping as loudly as possible.

She's not going to win, so I wouldn't worry about it.