My guess is there are official turndowns and unofficial-never-offered-but-let-it-be-known-they're-not-interested turndowns.

 

I said on day one that the choices were going to be limited due to pay and pension issues.

 

You bring up a good point about the compensation. What are the pros and cons of this job? What factors will have the biggest impact on whether someone would want this job?

 

Off the top of my head, I would say the pros are one of the most talented player pools in the area, very good support from fans and alumni, great tradition, very good academics and character in the school.

 

Cons would be the pay and pension, always being second guessed by a vocal and demanding fan base, facilities (gym) could use a face lift.

 

What else would others add on each side of the scale?

You bring up a good point about the compensation. What are the pros and cons of this job? What factors will have the biggest impact on whether someone would want this job?

 

Off the top of my head, I would say the pros are one of the most talented player pools in the area, very good support from fans and alumni, great tradition, very good academics and character in the school.

 

Cons would be the pay and pension, always being second guessed by a vocal and demanding fan base, facilities (gym) could use a face lift.

 

What else would others add on each side of the scale?

 

 

Just some observations from someone in the Lexington area whose seen Cov Cath at the state tournament and a handful of other times (not pretending to be in the know on Cov Cath or the 9th Region though).

 

Pros: Great student support and feel of real-school spirit at games. It seems like kids growing up in the system would be highly motivated to be a part of the Cov Cath tradition. From their consistent style of play and discipline, I'm guessing that they have good feeder programs who drill their principles into players early, which can really pay off. The school also seems to have a very solid winning tradition, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, etc.

 

Cons: Playing in a tough region that's usually balanced. Also, being in a district with Holmes, Holy Cross, and Beechwood means that you're going to have to do some work to get to the region each year (especially so if you plan on having the advantage of going in as a winner often). The job may not be attractive to an older coach whose looking to make one last big run at the state before retiring, etc. considering what Dixie Heights has (or may have) coming through their system for the next few years. The elephant in the room is also what I'll call the 'e-mail scandal' and the ramifications that could have on how candidates perceive the job and program. Every program has fans that can never be pleased, but as an outsider, I wonder what proportion of the fan-base is too unrealistic.

 

***One other thought that could be a pro or con is the 't' or 'r' words (which we do not speak). Being close to Cincinnati, its talent pool, and the area's programs could be a blessing or a curse. My hope is that in saying this, I've conveyed that I'm neutral on the issue in general, as there are lots of cases to be made for and against those things (that we do not speak of).

You bring up a good point about the compensation. What are the pros and cons of this job? What factors will have the biggest impact on whether someone would want this job?

 

Off the top of my head, I would say the pros are one of the most talented player pools in the area, very good support from fans and alumni, great tradition, very good academics and character in the school.

 

Cons would be the pay and pension, always being second guessed by a vocal and demanding fan base, facilities (gym) could use a face lift.

 

What else would others add on each side of the scale?

 

 

Just some observations from someone in the Lexington area whose seen Cov Cath at the state tournament and a handful of other times (not pretending to be in the know on Cov Cath or the 9th Region though).

 

Pros: Great student support and feel of real-school spirit at games. It seems like kids growing up in the system would be highly motivated to be a part of the Cov Cath tradition. From their consistent style of play and discipline, I'm guessing that they have good feeder programs who drill their principles into players early, which can really pay off. The school also seems to have a very solid winning tradition, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, etc.

 

Cons: Playing in a tough region that's usually balanced. Also, being in a district with Holmes, Holy Cross, and Beechwood means that you're going to have to do some work to get to the region each year (especially so if you plan on having the advantage of going in as a winner often). The job may not be attractive to an older coach whose looking to make one last big run at the state before retiring, etc. considering what Dixie Heights has (or may have) coming through their system for the next few years. The elephant in the room is also what I'll call the 'e-mail scandal' and the ramifications that could have on how candidates perceive the job and program. Every program has fans that can never be pleased, but as an outsider, I wonder what proportion of the fan-base is too unrealistic.

 

***One other thought that could be a pro or con is the 't' or 'r' words (which we do not speak). Being close to Cincinnati, its talent pool, and the area's programs could be a blessing or a curse. My hope is that in saying this, I've conveyed that I'm neutral on the issue in general, as there are lots of cases to be made for and against those things (that we do not speak of).

My guess is there are official turndowns and unofficial-never-offered-but-let-it-be-known-they're-not-interested turndowns.

 

I said on day one that the choices were going to be limited due to pay and pension issues.

 

 

Guessing you're spot on with this statement!!

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Just some observations from someone in the Lexington area whose seen Cov Cath at the state tournament and a handful of other times (not pretending to be in the know on Cov Cath or the 9th Region though).

 

Pros: Great student support and feel of real-school spirit at games. It seems like kids growing up in the system would be highly motivated to be a part of the Cov Cath tradition. From their consistent style of play and discipline, I'm guessing that they have good feeder programs who drill their principles into players early, which can really pay off. The school also seems to have a very solid winning tradition, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, etc.

 

Cons: Playing in a tough region that's usually balanced. Also, being in a district with Holmes, Holy Cross, and Beechwood means that you're going to have to do some work to get to the region each year (especially so if you plan on having the advantage of going in as a winner often). The job may not be attractive to an older coach whose looking to make one last big run at the state before retiring, etc. considering what Dixie Heights has (or may have) coming through their system for the next few years. The elephant in the room is also what I'll call the 'e-mail scandal' and the ramifications that could have on how candidates perceive the job and program. Every program has fans that can never be pleased, but as an outsider, I wonder what proportion of the fan-base is too unrealistic.

 

***One other thought that could be a pro or con is the 't' or 'r' words (which we do not speak). Being close to Cincinnati, its talent pool, and the area's programs could be a blessing or a curse. My hope is that in saying this, I've conveyed that I'm neutral on the issue in general, as there are lots of cases to be made for and against those things (that we do not speak of).

 

 

While they do have a wealth of talent coming through the doors, I don't think they are particularly "schooled" in the CCH system (although the right coach could cure that), such as I've seen in other areas (Lex Cath comes to mind)?

 

I'd argue your "con" of being in a tough district, as CovCath should be a "given" in the regionals most every year along with Holmes. No disrespect to Holy Cross, as they always give it all they've got & are well coached, but frankly it's most often not enough; and Beechwood seems content to dominate NKAC D-III, now that Silver Grove is out of Pelles for a while.

 

As Clyde said it's a challenge to fill this job with the pay vs. the publics & Ohio, and the other intangibles, etc.? Opening the opportunity to a para-professional would certainly widen the field; but may not fit the hiring criteria. They'll be fine, but I'm not getting the feeling this job will go to an "established head coach"??

While they do have a wealth of talent coming through the doors, I don't think they are particularly "schooled" in the CCH system

 

You are correct.

You are correct.

 

A HC with the interest in promoting such a system could probably get it done? It would take working with the feeder school & AAU coaches to promote the school and system; and I don't think that's been the case for quite a while??

A HC with the interest in promoting such a system could probably get it done? It would take working with the feeder school & AAU coaches to promote the school and system; and I don't think that's been the case for quite a while??

 

It would be a challenge. I don't know of any basketball teams that have their feeder schools run the same style of offense as the varsity. Coaches change so often at the middle school level that it's difficult to instill a standard scheme.

 

AAU coaches are going to do their own thing.

There is some speculation that the young coach from Moeller is the leader.

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Just some observations from someone in the Lexington area whose seen Cov Cath at the state tournament and a handful of other times (not pretending to be in the know on Cov Cath or the 9th Region though).

 

Pros: Great student support and feel of real-school spirit at games. It seems like kids growing up in the system would be highly motivated to be a part of the Cov Cath tradition. From their consistent style of play and discipline, I'm guessing that they have good feeder programs who drill their principles into players early, which can really pay off. The school also seems to have a very solid winning tradition, whether it be basketball, football, baseball, etc.

 

Cons: Playing in a tough region that's usually balanced. Also, being in a district with Holmes, Holy Cross, and Beechwood means that you're going to have to do some work to get to the region each year (especially so if you plan on having the advantage of going in as a winner often). The job may not be attractive to an older coach whose looking to make one last big run at the state before retiring, etc. considering what Dixie Heights has (or may have) coming through their system for the next few years. The elephant in the room is also what I'll call the 'e-mail scandal' and the ramifications that could have on how candidates perceive the job and program. Every program has fans that can never be pleased, but as an outsider, I wonder what proportion of the fan-base is too unrealistic.

 

***One other thought that could be a pro or con is the 't' or 'r' words (which we do not speak). Being close to Cincinnati, its talent pool, and the area's programs could be a blessing or a curse. My hope is that in saying this, I've conveyed that I'm neutral on the issue in general, as there are lots of cases to be made for and against those things (that we do not speak of).

 

Funny how someone thinking the "t" and "r" word is from Lexington. I don't think for one second that the "r" happens at CCH. And for a kid to transfer from an Ohio school is comical. If he is a blue chipper, he aint coming to a NKY school. If so, why? This is the perception from the rest of the state of Ky has on NKY in all their sports that NKY "r"s their kids, especially if they might so happen to win. Laughable!!!

It would be a challenge. I don't know of any basketball teams that have their feeder schools run the same style of offense as the varsity. Coaches change so often at the middle school level that it's difficult to instill a standard scheme.

 

AAU coaches are going to do their own thing.

 

Definately not the easiest sell, but there's enough continuity at the middle school level at the primary feeders, and these coaches love to emulate their kid's prospective HS coaches. Many AAU teams are frequently run, if not coached but very competitive parents/boosters, who would love nothing better than to see their kids move on together to HS success. Putting on some coach's clinics and cooperating with coaches takes time and effort, but can have big payoffs in the end for those willing to make the effort.

 

Regarding AAU coaches, I know of a couple that had asked for assistance in the recent past (visit practices, help install systems, etc.) from the previous group and not had much luck? CovCath is still a sleeping giant IMO, and this hire will be interesting to see play out!!

Funny how someone thinking the "t" and "r" word is from Lexington. I don't think for one second that the "r" happens at CCH. And for a kid to transfer from an Ohio school is comical. If he is a blue chipper, he aint coming to a NKY school. If so, why? This is the perception from the rest of the state of Ky has on NKY in all their sports that NKY "r"s their kids, especially if they might so happen to win. Laughable!!!

 

Having been around the NKY area for a while, there's much more movement throughout the public schools than at privates like Cov Cath??

Funny how someone thinking the "t" and "r" word is from Lexington.

 

(#1.)I don't think for one second that the "r" happens at CCH.

 

(#2.) And for a kid to transfer from an Ohio school is comical. If he is a blue chipper, he aint coming to a NKY school. If so, why?

 

(#3.) This is the perception from the rest of the state of Ky has on NKY in all their sports that NKY "r"s their kids, especially if they might so happen to win. Laughable!!!

 

To point #1: Can you find anywhere in my quote where I say that it did, in fact, happen at CCH?

 

To point #2: Thank you for re-emphasizing one of my points for me. I believe I said, "Being close to Cincinnati, its talent pool, and the area's programs could be a blessing or a curse." From your point of view it would be a curse because you seemingly imply that the 'blue chippers' would rather play in Ohio. Now, as for it being a blessing, (and knowing I could care less whether the kids spent their entire school years in a specific school system), let me remind you that two of the past three 9th region champions have featured key players from across the river. It's not a big deal, people move.

 

To point #3: That's a very general categorical remark, and I appreciate you finding the irony in it. I assume you've found some type of statistically significant evidence to back that one up. I will give you this though, in general, when a team anywhere loses to a team with a transfer or recruit, there will be sour grapes. It's not something that the rest of the state just secretly harbors against NKY.

 

The purpose of the question I responded to asked about potential pros and cons of the Covington Catholic coaching job, and that's all I was speculating on.

It would be a challenge. I don't know of any basketball teams that have their feeder schools run the same style of offense as the varsity. Coaches change so often at the middle school level that it's difficult to instill a standard scheme.AAU coaches are going to do their own thing.

 

Lexington Catholic

Lexington Catholic

 

How many feeder schools does LC have?