I'm 100% against welfare, so not at all.

 

So you want to force the mother to have the child that she can't pay for and at the same time deny her any aid? Your desire to punish the mother for poor decision-making also punishes the child, right? One way or the other we're paying our tax dollars .

So you want to force the mother to have the child that she can't pay for and at the same time deny her any aid? Your desire to punish the mother for poor decision-making also punishes the child, right? One way or the other we're paying our tax dollars .

 

I never said I had an issue with Planned Parenthood. I also never said I felt like they shouldn't have a choice about whether or not they have the child.

 

Along those same lines however, I've been vocal on here in the past that our country needs to have a more "survival of the fittest" mentality, so I wouldn't lose sleep over denying them any form of aid.

I never said I had an issue with Planned Parenthood. I also never said I felt like they shouldn't have a choice about whether or not they have the child.

 

Along those same lines however, I've been vocal on here in the past that our country needs to have a more "survival of the fittest" mentality, so I wouldn't lose sleep over denying them any form of aid.

 

I apologize for jumping to a conclusion.

 

So, do you think the taxpayers should fund PP? If not, what do we do with the children that result that end up needing taxpayer support?

I apologize for jumping to a conclusion.

 

So, do you think the taxpayers should fund PP? If not, what do we do with the children that result that end up needing taxpayer support?

 

I'm against all federally funded programs, so I don't feel they should fund it. Force the parents to support the children, or take them from their parents.

Do you think abortion should be illegal?

 

I wish abortion were illegal. But even more than that, I wish people would understand that if it were, even bigger issues would loom. I think that before we need to stop looking at the legality of abortion as the issue, and start looking at the reasons people choose abortion and working toward resolutions there. I think that we need to stop thinking that the ultimate end-result is that abortion be illegal. Because that's a super-simplistic view of the issue. Never, in any of the posts I've read on this site debating abortion, have foes of the procedure addressed any of the roots of the issue. Never have they offered any thoughts on what can be done to address the social problem that it is. Foes have boiled it down to a single cause, but it's inextricably woven into victim's rights, women's rights, poverty, moral and ethical causes. Making it illegal will NOT prevent abortions. And shouldn't the prevention of abortions be the issue, not whether it's legal or illegal?

Making it illegal will NOT prevent abortions. And shouldn't the prevention of abortions be the issue, not whether it's legal or illegal?

 

That is a weak argument.

 

Obviously, especially in this country, if we make something illegal its not going to stop its existence or use among the people. I look at abortions as murder. I put them in that category. We make murder illegal but it is not going to stop it.

 

There would be a lot less abortions if it were illegal.

That is a weak argument.

 

Obviously, especially in this country, if we make something illegal its not going to stop its existence or use among the people. I look at abortions as murder. I put them in that category. We make murder illegal but it is not going to stop it.

 

There would be a lot less abortions if it were illegal.

 

Yet, abortions would still happen. So, did you solve the problem? Your stance indicates you're only interested in the punishment, not resolving the problem.

Here are two laws that would help. Any man who gets a woman pregnant that results in an abortion spends 5 years in jail. Secondly, any man that gets a woman pregnant out of wedlock is automatically sentenced to one year in jail.

Here are two laws that would help. Any man who gets a woman pregnant that results in an abortion spends 5 years in jail. Secondly, any man that gets a woman pregnant out of wedlock is automatically sentenced to one year in jail.

I guess some people think you can legislate morality.

Here are two laws that would help. Any man who gets a woman pregnant that results in an abortion spends 5 years in jail. Secondly, any man that gets a woman pregnant out of wedlock is automatically sentenced to one year in jail.

 

I guess some people think you can legislate morality.

 

Just some food for thought.

I guess some people think you can legislate morality.

 

The fact that laws exist means that morality has been legislated to an extent already.

Edited April 10, 201115 yr by Randy Parker

I wish abortion were illegal. But even more than that, I wish people would understand that if it were, even bigger issues would loom. I think that before we need to stop looking at the legality of abortion as the issue, and start looking at the reasons people choose abortion and working toward resolutions there. I think that we need to stop thinking that the ultimate end-result is that abortion be illegal. Because that's a super-simplistic view of the issue. Never, in any of the posts I've read on this site debating abortion, have foes of the procedure addressed any of the roots of the issue. Never have they offered any thoughts on what can be done to address the social problem that it is. Foes have boiled it down to a single cause, but it's inextricably woven into victim's rights, women's rights, poverty, moral and ethical causes. Making it illegal will NOT prevent abortions. And shouldn't the prevention of abortions be the issue, not whether it's legal or illegal?

 

If you were the ruler of the United States & every law had to be signed off by you, would abortion be legal or illegal?

 

For me, that is where the issue starts. I agree with you that making abortion illegal is the furthest thing from the end result. For many pro-lifers, that's the only concern & you are correct that this really doesn't accomplish the ultimate goal of as few abortions as possible. Pro-life groups, if they really want to prevent abortion & usher in an environment of life, need to do more as it relates to after a child is born. We're great at discouraging abortion, but we need to step and offer care & nurturing for mothers and their infants after they're born.

 

The act itself, though, should be illegal.

Maybe to prevent TWO deaths.

 

Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. If we were to work harder on prenatal care and birth control, who knows how many abortions might be prevented.

 

I was under the impression that you do not believe abortion was the taking of a life?

Reports are that Planned Parenthood only spends three percent of its budget on abortions ... so that argument doesn't hold much water, either.

 

I think it's actually 2%, which amounts to about $28 million annually. PP is America's largest provider of abortions.

If you were the ruler of the United States & every law had to be signed off by you, would abortion be legal or illegal?

 

For me, that is where the issue starts. I agree with you that making abortion illegal is the furthest thing from the end result. For many pro-lifers, that's the only concern & you are correct that this really doesn't accomplish the ultimate goal of as few abortions as possible. Pro-life groups, if they really want to prevent abortion & usher in an environment of life, need to do more as it relates to after a child is born. We're great at discouraging abortion, but we need to step and offer care & nurturing for mothers and their infants after they're born.

 

The act itself, though, should be illegal.

 

Randy, the issue can't start at the legality/illegality. The issue has to be attached at it's root. Advocates of illegal abortions need to step up and put their money where their mouths are, which is what you seem to be saying as well. The issue has to be attacked in several ways: Sex is now looked upon as a part of dating. Women are objectified and many have low self esteems, leading them to believe that having sex pushes them into some sort of accepted part of society. Men/boys need to be as responsible for birth control as women. If laws are changed to make abortion illegal, consequences as equal to what will happen to the women and/or the doctors need to be enacted. Adoption of American babies needs to be presented as a really viable option. Those are some of the many areas that need to be attacked. Making it illegal will not stop abortions. Sure, you now can punish someone for an abortion, but without attacking the whole, you've simply made the end-result illegal, and the problems persist.