Don't put words in my mouth ... I've said nothing of the sort.

 

You simply tried to paint a Democrat-issued map as being similar to the Palin thing, and you were called on it. Now you want to change course and go to Olbermann. Just admit it ... your analogy didn't hold up.

 

So you are saying that there's no similarity between the two maps? As far as I'm concerned my analogy holds up just fine.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

From what I'm reading, the CNN news people (Blitzer and Yellin) were simply discussing the comments made by the sheriff and President Obama, and came to the conclusion that there was no connection between the alleged shooter and Palin's website, comments, etc.

 

How exactly is that racing to put the blame on Palin?

Rush's playbook is being executed to perfection in this thread.....

 

His very long list of points:

 

LOUGHNER IS A LONE NUT. Even "the Obama government" -- the FBI -- calls Loughner a "deranged, insular irrational kid" who acted alone, Limbaugh said. "The kid was evil. He was into the occult. He had an altar with a skull in his yard. Was God in his life? He was stalking the congresswoman."

 

HEAVY METAL. "The guy listened to heavy metal, and some of that anarchist stuff. We're dealing with an insane individual."

 

 

DIDN'T WATCH FOX. "There is no evidence that he listened to talk radio. There is no evidence he listened to Fox News. There is no evidence that he saw Sarah Palin's Facebook page. No evidence he saw her lame website with the crosshairs."

 

 

BLAME THE PARENTS. "Where are the parents? Are they derelicts? He was so devoted to marijuana he wanted to make it the new U.S. currency. Did anyone try to institutionalize him?"

 

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SHERIFF COVERING HIS OWN BUTT. "This kid sounds like he was very well known as a dangerous element around town. If there is a file somewhere about this kid in the sheriff's office," said Rush, and the sheriff had failed to act, then he would be partly responsible for the tragedy in Arizona on Saturday. "If he was so concerned about the Tea Party, where was security for this congresswoman's event on Saturday?"

 

 

DUPNIK IS A DEMOCRAT. "This Sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, is an anti-conservative."

 

 

WHERE'S THE SAFETY NET? "Loughner is obviously deranged, so where's the left's safety net? Haven't we spent trillions of dollars to build a system to catch these disturbed people? Where is the evidence that their compassion works?"

 

 

THE OKLAHOMA CITY TEMPLATE. "Sad tragedies, where people die, are seen first as political opportunities by these people," Rush said. "The Republicans had nothing to do with the bombing at Oklahoma City, but it was seen as a political opportunity for Bill Clinton. This is now the same template."

 

 

CRIMINALIZING SPEECH. "They're shutting down any opposition and criminalizing it. They've had a plan filed away in a drawer to take away as many of our political freedoms as they can. The Democrats just lost an election, and now the only other thing they can try to do is silence the opposition."

 

 

HYPOCRITES ON VIOLENCE. It's not the right, Limbaugh said, but the left that glorifies criminal behavior and violent imagery. "'No, no,' they say, 'that's art!' Rap music? 'That's art!'"

 

 

DEMOCRATS ARE GHOULS. They privately are thankful for Tucson because "they think it advances their sick and perverted purposes." Mark Penn, who was Bill Clinton's polltaker, said -- before Tucson -- that "Obama needs his own Oklahoma City."

 

 

DEMOCRATS v. THE MAJORITY. By linking Loughner to the right, Limbaugh warned, Democrats are "taking aim at a majority of the people in the country. This is not 1988, or 1993, when the drive-by media had total control. I am not going to be silenced," he said, but now he has too many allies. "They're accusing a majority of Americans of being accomplices to murder."

 

 

A DIRECT DENIAL. "At no time has anybody ever called for violence," Limbaugh said. "We've never subtly promoted it." And, by the way, the Democrats' language is and was worse.

 

Interesting how you don't even try to refute anything he said. If you are truly trying to tie anyone other then the lone whack job to this shooting then with all due respect you're as bad as the "unbiased" media.

So you are saying that there's no similarity between the two maps? As far as I'm concerned my analogy holds up just fine.

I'm sure it does, in your mind, but the differences have been pointed out. I don't see much similarity there.

I'm sure it does, in your mind, but the differences have been pointed out. I don't see much similarity there.

 

I'm sure you don't.

I'm going to call for an end to the ugly, vitrolic rhetoric on every side of the political spectrum.

 

It would be nice if the leaders of each "faction" would do the same, rather than try to say "we're not the only ones".

Here is an excerpt of Gov. Brewer's State of the State given today.

 

It was a sunny Saturday at the supermarket in Northwest Tucson.

 

It was a picture of what our country is all about: Public servants doing their duty, citizens, old and young coming to hear -- coming to participate -- in the beauty of our government in action.

 

We lost someone else on Saturday ... nine-year-old, Christina Green.

 

She was just elected to her student council.

 

She was hoping to be a positive part of the future of America.

 

And, she has become just that.

 

She loved baseball — she was the only girl on her Little League baseball team; and she loved to wear red, white and blue.

 

I should tell you, Christina was born on September 11th, 2001.

 

She thought of her birthday as a day of hope — a time to find goodness in America.

 

As her mother said, “Her light shines on all of us today.”

 

Saturday’s events were not just an attack on those individuals we loved and lost, but an assault on our Constitutional Republic — on our democracy — on all we treasure and hold dear — as citizens and public servants.

 

Arizona is in pain, yes.

 

Our grief is profound.

 

We are yet in the first hours of our sorrow — but, we have not been brought down.

 

We will never be brought down!

 

In fact — we've been lifted up by America's thoughts and prayers — and we're deeply grateful for them.

 

Arizona, like all of America -- has been through difficult times before.

 

But, those times have united us, and made us stronger -- more enduring.

 

Let those of us who serve our state and country do so in a way that honors those we have lost.

 

Our meetings on sunny days will not end.

 

Like the words from Isaiah, I believe Arizona will rise on wings like eagles — we will run, and not get weary — we will walk, and not grow weak.

 

So — I ask for your help — and your continued prayers, as we step from here, and guide this Great State with courage and devotion.

 

May God bless all the victims and their families and those suffering from Saturday's tragedy.

 

May God bless those who serve us in the cause of freedom and justice.

 

May He bless you and your families and our Great State of Arizona.

 

And may God always bless and protect the United States of America.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ad689eda-1cf4-11e0-9d9a-001cc4c002e0.html

I'm going to call for an end to the ugly, vitrolic rhetoric on every side of the political spectrum.

 

It would be nice if the leaders of each "faction" would do the same, rather than try to say "we're not the only ones".

 

Agree completely, but I would also add a call for personal responsibility. Seems in a situation like this, everyone wants to point fingers except at the one who is truly responsible for the carnage.

I'm sure you don't.

And I have explained why, in great detail.

I'm going to call for an end to the ugly, vitrolic rhetoric on every side of the political spectrum.

 

It would be nice if the leaders of each "faction" would do the same, rather than try to say "we're not the only ones".

Amen to that.

Agree completely, but I would also add a call for personal responsibility. Seems in a situation like this, everyone wants to point fingers except at the one who is truly responsible for the carnage.

 

I agree. But in the absence of such, I hope to see a change for the better in the hyperbole and rhetoric. I know many say it's nothing new. But with the advent of 24/7 news and the internet, it seems that vitrol virtually spews forth from all sides. Add in discussion boards, the comments allowed on news sites, and it's just impossible to ignore. We all bear responsibility. Freedom of speech is a right, but rights carry responsibility. There is no such thing as "I am not responsibile. I can say anything I want. I bear no responsibility for what others may thinkg of what I say." It's an ugly, ugly world these days.

Interesting how you don't even try to refute anything he said. If you are truly trying to tie anyone other then the lone whack job to this shooting then with all due respect you're as bad as the "unbiased" media.

 

Below is a good observation on both extremes -- this one was directed at Rush, Palin, Beck, etc.

 

The strongest case against these people isn’t that their rhetoric inspires political violence. It’s that they frequently utter indefensible nonsense. The problem isn’t their tone. It’s that the substance of what they’re saying is so blinkered that it isn’t even taken seriously by their ideological allies (even if they’re too cowardly, mercenary or team driven to admit as much).

 

They’re in a tough spot these days partly because it’s impossible for them to mount the defense of their rhetoric that is true: “I am a frivolous person, and I don’t choose my words based on their meaning. Rather, I behave like the worst caricature of a politician. If you think my rhetoric logically implies that people should behave violently, you’re mistaken – neither my audience nor my peers in the conservative movement are engaged in a logical enterprise, and it’s unfair of you to imply that people take what I say so seriously that I can be blamed for a real world event. Don’t you see that this is all a big game? This is how politics works. Stop pretending you’re not in on the joke.”

The guy was just nuts. It's not the fault of Palin, or the right nor is it the fault of the left. I find it absurd, and rather sad, that people want to play politics with this tragedy.

I really hope the guy is just imbalanced ... I would hate to think that some of the inflammatory rhetoric had anything to do it, and there would hell to pay if it was.

I really hope the guy is just imbalanced ... I would hate to think that some of the inflammatory rhetoric had anything to do it, and there would hell to pay if it was.

And exactly who would have to "pay"... The shooter has been described as a let wing loony so is the whole Dem. party to blame??