If you really feel that is the case, name the poster ...

 

I'm not talking about you, if that's what you're hinting at.

Your condesending posts tend to annoy me from time to time not to mention the inaccuracies found in them. First find me one post where I blamed someone other than the "deranged loser", second continue to act as if the inflamatory language can't provide a spark to other deranged losers it only makes you look more and more like a sheep for not being able to speak out against people who are being irresponsible because you agree with them on the majority of political issues. Why do you think countries at war use propoganda that dehumanizes and demonizes the enemy? Does it make them harder to kill?? :thumb:

 

I agree with Sarah Palin on the majority of political issues? That's news to me. :lol:

The difference between a fumbling kook with a gun and a trained kook with a gun is evident in comparing the AZ shooting with the Fort Hood shooting. Even though the Fort Hood shooter was surrounded by highly trained warriors, his training permitted him to shoot at will, swapping out quality 20 and 30 round mags allowing him to fire off over 200 rounds before he encountered other armed soldiers that could shoot back and stop him. Dozens of trained soldiers were not able to stop him without firearms. The AZ nut was tackled by average citizens.

 

In the hours of endless coverage I recall hearing that the AZ shooter's replacement magazine malfunctioned, the kook had already popped the spent magazine and inserted a new one. Had it not been for the malfunction of the second magazine, (which leads me to believe I can guess the manufacturer) there may have been more carnage. Because the spare mag choked, he was able to be tackled and pinned allowing a lady in her 60s to pull the mag away from him. In all gruesome sincerity, a pair of quality 15 - 20 round mags that don't choke and fit flush with the base of the grip negating anyone's ability to grab an extended mag tube and pull it away would have been more effective.

 

As far as evaluating the circumstances to look at ways that "might" have an impact in the future and avoid wasting an opportunity to do our job... I strongly suspect that a close look at the Pima County Sheriff doing all the finger pointing is in order. It is apparent that his office was aware of this troubled soul and had many encounters with him long before the shooting. Why was this basket-case allowed to buy a gun, much less roam the streets at will?

 

When we were kids, the old rule of "The one that smelt it dealt it" applies here. This Sheriff was on TV pointing fingers with no facts to substantiate his claims within hours of the horrid event. This one doesn't pass the smell test.

 

The Sheriff has not represented himself very well.

What's obscene to me is the fact that those on the right no matter how level headed they may be refuse to acknowledge that that the dehumanization, demonization and overt hints at violence(2nd ammendment remedies, crosshair maps, threats of secession, taking an assualt rifle to a health care debate, etc) can cause a certain unstable percentage of the population to act out in violence. It is not ok for anyone to do this but it happens far more on the right than the left and it needs to stop. The obscene thing is the attempt to whitewash it from the right. There is a reason that Sarah Palin for the first time in over 2 years went 4 days without making a public statement or updating her facebook page.

 

I understand them being defensive. I would be as well. In no way did they ever mean it literally. However, I would hope it gives all pause now when they think about using such phrases. When you have the bully pulpit your words have an impact . I'd hope that we can get past the sound bite sayings of "we reload" or "2nd amendment remedies." While they might sound good and might play well to the rabid base it's POTENTIAL impact on the mentally unstable doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Maybe we learn that nothing said or done prior to the shooting had ANY impact. Fine. The key is we take the time to evaluate the situation and possible changes.

I understand them being defensive. I would be as well. In no way did they ever mean it literally. However, I would hope it gives all pause now when they think about using such phrases. When you have the bully pulpit your words have an impact . I'd hope that we can get past the sound bite sayings of "we reload" or "2nd amendment remedies." While they might sound good and might play well to the rabid base it's POTENTIAL impact on the mentally unstable doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Maybe we learn that nothing said or done prior to the shooting had ANY impact. Fine. The key is we take the time to evaluate the situation and possible changes.

 

Maybe the saying "The pen is mightier than the sword" needs to be reintroduced to society. Or maybe, we just need to all mind our manners, and re-learn civility.

What's obscene to me is the fact that those on the right no matter how level headed they may be refuse to acknowledge that that the dehumanization, demonization and overt hints at violence(2nd ammendment remedies, crosshair maps, threats of secession, taking an assualt rifle to a health care debate, etc) can cause a certain unstable percentage of the population to act out in violence. It is not ok for anyone to do this but it happens far more on the right than the left and it needs to stop. The obscene thing is the attempt to whitewash it from the right. There is a reason that Sarah Palin for the first time in over 2 years went 4 days without making a public statement or updating her facebook page.

 

Wrong.

Your condesending posts tend to annoy me from time to time not to mention the inaccuracies found in them. First find me one post where I blamed someone other than the "deranged loser", second continue to act as if the inflamatory language can't provide a spark to other deranged losers it only makes you look more and more like a sheep for not being able to speak out against people who are being irresponsible because you agree with them on the majority of political issues. Why do you think countries at war use propoganda that dehumanizes and demonizes the enemy? Does it make them harder to kill?? :thumb:

With all due respect Humpty, the whole problem many of us have with this is the total non-sequitir connection the Pima County Sheriff, Paul Krugman and others have made with absolutely no substantial evidence to back their opinions.

 

The more that emerges about the kook in AZ, the more apparent it is that he was not motivated by politics, talk radio, the tea party or anything else that might actually matter to you or me. The more these partisans attempt to link Palin, Limbaugh, Fox News, the Tea Party, etc. to this clown's motives, the more credibility they lose. The longer Mr. Obama remains silent, rather than speaking up to calm emotions and caution against rushing to judgment as he did immediately following the Fort Hood shooting, the more credibility he loses with many of us that actually see both sides of the picture.

 

Maybe he will do that tonight, but it's way too little too late for many of us now.

 

I fully agree that heated rhetoric on boths sides needs to settle down, but you don't do that by pouring fuel on the fire as these folks have.

With all due respect Humpty, the whole problem many of us have with this is the total non-sequitir connection the Pima County Sheriff, Paul Krugman and others have made with absolutely no substantial evidence to back their opinions.

 

The more that emerges about the kook in AZ, the more apparent it is that he was not motivated by politics, talk radio, the tea party or anything else that might actually matter to you or me. The more these partisans attempt to link Palin, Limbaugh, Fox News, the Tea Party, etc. to this clown's motives, the more credibility they lose. The longer Mr. Obama remains silent, rather than speaking up to calm emotions and caution against rushing to judgment as he did immediately following the Fort Hood shooting, the more credibility he loses with many of us that actually see both sides of the picture.

Maybe he will do that tonight, but it's way too little too late for many of us now.

 

I fully agree that heated rhetoric on boths sides needs to settle down, but you don't do that by pouring fuel on the fire as these folks have.

 

Or by making it into a fundraising opportunity like Bernie Sanders has.

I understand them being defensive. I would be as well. In no way did they ever mean it literally. However, I would hope it gives all pause now when they think about using such phrases. When you have the bully pulpit your words have an impact . I'd hope that we can get past the sound bite sayings of "we reload" or "2nd amendment remedies." While they might sound good and might play well to the rabid base it's POTENTIAL impact on the mentally unstable doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Maybe we learn that nothing said or done prior to the shooting had ANY impact. Fine. The key is we take the time to evaluate the situation and possible changes.

 

Said much better than I was trying for. :thumb:

I agree with Sarah Palin on the majority of political issues? That's news to me. :lol:

 

Still waiting on you to find me that post...:idunno:

I'm not assigning blame other than to a crazy guy.

 

However, when you have situations like this and you don't evaluate it entirely and look at ways that "might" have an impact in the future you've wasted an opportunity and failed to do your job.

 

Lastly, you're guessing when you say he would have done as much damage with a smaller clip. He got tackled while replacing his clip. If he had a smaller clip and had to replace it after fewer shots who's to say that he would not have been subdued and less people would have been hurt.

 

Your belief that nothing can/could have an impact would lead us to simply allow every type of known weapon since we can't do anything about it. I don't buy that argument.

I didn't mean that you were laying blame anywhere else. Sorry if that's the way it came off.

 

I don't disagree with your second point. I do disagree with the last point. I don't believe that nothing can/could have an impact. I just happen to believe the size of his clip wouldn't. A bit of a leap from clips to bazookas.

I'm not assigning blame other than to a crazy guy.

 

However, when you have situations like this and you don't evaluate it entirely and look at ways that "might" have an impact in the future you've wasted an opportunity and failed to do your job.

 

Lastly, you're guessing when you say he would have done as much damage with a smaller clip. He got tackled while replacing his clip. If he had a smaller clip and had to replace it after fewer shots who's to say that he would not have been subdued and less people would have been hurt.

 

Your belief that nothing can/could have an impact would lead us to simply allow every type of known weapon since we can't do anything about it. I don't buy that argument.

 

Your condesending posts tend to annoy me from time to time not to mention the inaccuracies found in them. First find me one post where I blamed someone other than the "deranged loser", second continue to act as if the inflamatory language can't provide a spark to other deranged losers it only makes you look more and more like a sheep for not being able to speak out against people who are being irresponsible because you agree with them on the majority of political issues. Why do you think countries at war use propoganda that dehumanizes and demonizes the enemy? Does it make them harder to kill?? :thumb:

How many deranged losers went on a shooting spree because of something Rush said or Oberman said?

So this is what the 2nd Amendment remedies that Sharon Angle spoke about looks like. I guess Sarah Palin can remove one of the crosshairs off of her map now....but the rhetoric has nothing to do with it's just one crazy loons fault. Some folks on the right should go to the NFL combine with their backpedal times on this, they would beat any of the top CB's.

 

Still waiting on you to find me that post...:idunno:

 

This could be the post he is talking about, if he was talking about you (not saying he was).

Still waiting on you to find me that post...:idunno:

 

So this is what the 2nd Amendment remedies that Sharon Angle spoke about looks like. I guess Sarah Palin can remove one of the crosshairs off of her map now....but the rhetoric has nothing to do with it's just one crazy loons fault. Some folks on the right should go to the NFL combine with their backpedal times on this, they would beat any of the top CB's.

 

This is your first post in this thread. Reads a whole lot to me like you're placing blame. If not why include it in this thread? If you're trying to make a causal effect then I would say that it has every bit as much a causal effect as Phelps says that the American lifestyle has and is every bit as misguided and despicable.

I understand them being defensive. I would be as well. In no way did they ever mean it literally. However, I would hope it gives all pause now when they think about using such phrases. When you have the bully pulpit your words have an impact . I'd hope that we can get past the sound bite sayings of "we reload" or "2nd amendment remedies." While they might sound good and might play well to the rabid base it's POTENTIAL impact on the mentally unstable doesn't make it worthwhile.

 

Maybe we learn that nothing said or done prior to the shooting had ANY impact. Fine. The key is we take the time to evaluate the situation and possible changes.

With sincere respect, I have to ask how politicians or political pundits are any more accountable than Hollywood, record labels and recording artists, bloggers, writers, video game makers, etc.?

 

Honestly?

 

I've been hearing most of my life that art and entertainment are sacrosanct. Anyone with a fully formed brain should understand it's make believe and not a guidebook for real world action. It's up to parents to keep their kids from viewing or hearing objectionable material.

 

I don't have time at the moment, but this evening I'm going to post some images that are far more offensive or potentially capable to programming and triggering kooks to behave wrongly than a republican or democrat political map.

 

If-as it is becoming abundantly clear-this nut was not motivated by Palin, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Maddow or any other political wonk... what might have conditioned him to believe his actions were warranted and acceptable?

 

If we're going to dig into this, let's genuinely dig into the underbelly of our culture... not just skim the surface and throw stones at convenient targets.

 

Oops... I said "target" :lol: