The altimate goal of any high school football team is to win a state title. Very few teams have the athletes or numbers to use the two platoon system . For the ones that can , is it fair to the "studs " to "showcase " there talents , only on one side of the ball ?

 

What if the coach has his "stud " playing in the wrong position , and doesn't get the opportunity to showcase his talents to the full extent ?

 

To answer your original questions and get back on track of this thread: Yes it is fair to the "studs" as you call them to have them only play one way. If a kid is athletically gifted enough to receive a scholarship, such will be shown in the camps and combines. Furthermore, by allowing a "stud" to only play one way, he should be even more "studly" when he's on the field.

 

It is also fair that the "Stud" is playing a position in high school that he won't likely play in college. Many a Highlands championship has been won by kids playing positions that weren't the positions they'd play in college. The "studs" that are team players buy into that. Their parents sometimes have a harder time admittedly. At successful programs it's easier to get the parents in line, particularly successful programs that have a track record of moving kids in order to win championships. It's also helpful when parents realize, as others have mentioned, that colleges don't put that much emphasis on where a player played in high school or even how well he performed in high school. The recruiters think they know of what it takes physically to play a certain position in college and if a "stud" has those physical attributes, he'll get a scholarship even if he never played that position in high school.

I think I am picking up the hints of an axe grinding...

 

To answer the thread topic the coaches have a responsibility to field the best team possible while developing good and decent young men. If they deem that they have a better chance of winning with stud only playing one way and being rested and fresh then so be it. Stud will just have to deal with it. Usually stud's do find themselves playing some both ways if they are in fact that studly but often times parents of said stud seem to think they are much more studlier than the coaches who see them in practice and competing day after day.

There was HS soccer team that had 2 division one keepers that were one year apart. The parents of the younger player decided to send that player to another school where the keeper started, thrived and earned a scholarship. I think it would be hard to argue that the parents didn't make the correct decision. I am not sure what valuable "lesson about life" would have been served by keeping the player in the former siuation.

 

It is easy to think these questions are pretty black and white and throw out cliche responses, but honestly there is lots of gray.

 

I think this team vs. individual debate has little to do with the topic at hand, but it is one I find interesting.

 

The thing you don't know in this situation is would the player who changed schools have earned a scholarship if he/she stayed? My guess is yes. As has been stated on here several times, scholarships today are earned in camps and combines more than in high school games. There are soccer players getting D1 scholarships who don't even play high school soccer. They play select and go to camps and that is where they get seen. Look at all the offers Zeke Pike had before he had started a game at QB in high school. High school games have marginal impact on scholarships. Therefore, how two platoon football impacts "showcasing" a player has little impact on scholarships.

The thing you don't know in this situation is would the player who changed schools have earned a scholarship if he/she stayed? My guess is yes. As has been stated on here several times, scholarships today are earned in camps and combines more than in high school games. There are soccer players getting D1 scholarships who don't even play high school soccer. They play select and go to camps and that is where they get seen. Look at all the offers Zeke Pike had before he had started a game at QB in high school. High school games have marginal impact on scholarships. Therefore, how two platoon football impacts "showcasing" a player has little impact on scholarships.

 

Very true. However, that player would not have been able to actually "play" high school soccer except for one year.

There was HS soccer team that had 2 division one keepers that were one year apart. The parents of the younger player decided to send that player to another school where the keeper started, thrived and earned a scholarship. I think it would be hard to argue that the parents didn't make the correct decision. I am not sure what valuable "lesson about life" would have been served by keeping the player in the former siuation.

 

It is easy to think these questions are pretty black and white and throw out cliche responses, but honestly there is lots of gray.

 

I think this team vs. individual debate has little to do with the topic at hand, but it is one I find interesting.

 

I could possibly disagree with this... Competition is a telling thing, most of the time in the heat of competition players will work harder to earn their spot. I am a true believer that competition makes one better. Again it's another after the fact hypothetical situation.

 

As far as the 1 way thing. Coaches will make wrong decisions. There is not definitive answer to thus question. some players benefit their team by going both ways and some don't. of course it would be bad to Rob a kid if a scholarship, but most of the time it doesn't. recruiters are pretty good at recognizing the combo of talent and academics at the time players are coming out of high school. I think it has more to do with the kid being good or bad at football. Critics come out when a team loses.

Not sure what this thread is all about. HHS has a number of consecutive state championships and just won with players playing only one way. Do "stud" athletes understand the team concept. For sure they do. 50-0, virtually a mistake free game.

 

I have no idea about soceer, but high school football games have a ton of impact on college recruiting. Coaches want to see what an athlete does in pressure packed situations, in front of a large crowd, in a meaningful game, in a crucial play. They attend games and watch athletes to see if they are a team player or not, throughout the entire game. They follow their recruits weekly to see how they did in games. At the end of the 3rd quarter of the HHS vs. Christian County state championship game, one of their premier players had 8 carries for a total of 5 yards rushing. Impact, most definitely! There were some major college scouts at the championship game. Every interested college recruiter knows who the MVP was of the Kentucky class 5A championship game. Any sensible college coach would give merit to the achievement of a high school sophomore QBing his team to a state championship, then again as a junior. Don't think for a minute that college recruiters don't know the total year end stats of the HHS QB, while awesome, that they aren't padded because he and other starters sat out the majority of several games during the seacon, i.e. Beechwood, Woodford County. Does an athlete have to play both ways to be looked at by a college coach. Absolutely not. College coaches can tell if an athlete has talent or not.

Not sure what this thread is all about. HHS has a number of consecutive state championships and just won with players playing only one way. Do "stud" athletes understand the team concept. For sure they do. 50-0, virtually a mistake free game.

 

I have no idea about soceer, but high school football games have a ton of impact on college recruiting. Coaches want to see what an athlete does in pressure packed situations, in front of a large crowd, in a meaningful game, in a crucial play. They attend games and watch athletes to see if they are a team player or not, throughout the entire game. They follow their recruits weekly to see how they did in games. At the end of the 3rd quarter of the HHS vs. Christian County state championship game, one of their premier players had 8 carries for a total of 5 yards rushing. Impact, most definitely! There were some major college scouts at the championship game. Every interested college recruiter knows who the MVP was of the Kentucky class 5A championship game. Any sensible college coach would give merit to the achievement of a high school sophomore QBing his team to a state championship, then again as a junior. Don't think for a minute that college recruiters don't know the total year end stats of the HHS QB, while awesome, that they aren't padded because he and other starters sat out the majority of several games during the seacon, i.e. Beechwood, Woodford County. Does an athlete have to play both ways to be looked at by a college coach. Absolutely not. College coaches can tell if an athlete has talent or not.

 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but high school games in football obviously do not impact college recruiting as much as you think. Towles has IMO obviously out performed Pike and it appears to me is a better team player. Towles has 2 State Championships and Pike has none. All of that considered Pike has some major D-1 offers some before he started a down at QB and to my knowledge Towles has none at this point.

To answer your original questions and get back on track of this thread: Yes it is fair to the "studs" as you call them to have them only play one way. If a kid is athletically gifted enough to receive a scholarship, such will be shown in the camps and combines. Furthermore, by allowing a "stud" to only play one way, he should be even more "studly" when he's on the field.

 

It is also fair that the "Stud" is playing a position in high school that he won't likely play in college. Many a Highlands championship has been won by kids playing positions that weren't the positions they'd play in college. The "studs" that are team players buy into that. Their parents sometimes have a harder time admittedly. At successful programs it's easier to get the parents in line, particularly successful programs that have a track record of moving kids in order to win championships. It's also helpful when parents realize, as others have mentioned, that colleges don't put that much emphasis on where a player played in high school or even how well he performed in high school. The recruiters think they know of what it takes physically to play a certain position in college and if a "stud" has those physical attributes, he'll get a scholarship even if he never played that position in high school.

I really don't like using the word "stud ". It's just easier to spell and use than "highly gifted athlete " .

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but high school games in football obviously do not impact college recruiting as much as you think. Towles has IMO obviously out performed Pike and it appears to me is a better team player. Towles has 2 State Championships and Pike has none. All of that considered Pike has some major D-1 offers some before he started a down at QB and to my knowledge Towles has none at this point.

 

Okay, we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it is rationale to think that someone's performance in a game, setting the state record for most rushing touchdowns in a half and being MVP of the same state championship game will be looked at even better than before. I call it the cream rising to the top, showing what you can do in front of 12,000 people and live in front of college coaches that already know you. It has major impact on your recruitment!

 

College football signing day is the first Wednesday in Feb.. Colleges are right now preparing for their bowl games and polishing up their recruiting class of 2011, this year's current seniors. There are a handful of players throughout the country that are current juniors, your so called best athletes that fall into the category of being heavily recruited early in high school. Until the pen hits the paper in Feb., each college does not have their entire class of 2011. Thus, maybe their big time QB, RB, or WR from the class of 2011 does not sign with them. That may make a difference in who they recruit in 2012. The majority of the class of 2012 begins getting heavily recruited beginning after this coming Feb.. Some in the class of 2012, while not having offers per say, are already on the college radar and have made game invites this past season. College coaches are up on what is going on with their recruits high school team and the individual player. It's common sense. If you were a recruit, would you lean towards a coach that knows your statistics and researches you and your team, or lean towards the college coach that knows nothing about you. Not talking about anyone specifically, but maybe some high school players elect to keep some things personal amongst their friends and family throughout their football careers. If you have a kid that plays football and he is a decent athlete and you wish to blow off the effect of his performance in games as being unimportant, I would suggest searching the internet for tips on how college coaches recruit. Would it not be beneficial for any HHS player to have a college recruiter look at an entire game tape of the HHS QB and stumble upon some other player, maybe on offense or maybe on defense. It happens, all because of performances in games.

Of course I'm not a coach , nor have I ever been one , but if I was the coach , I would field the best team possible . Then I would talk to the parents and explain to them why I did what I did , and hope that they understand .

 

Suppose Patrick Towles goes to August two a days and finds out that he is being moved to tight end , to make the team better ? How would you think his parents would react ? If you were the coach Clyde , how would you explain to the parents that their son is being moved to tight end ? (.......and you can't blame it on the kool-aid )

 

REMEMBER THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION !!!

 

 

How would I explain it? Simple. I think it makes the team better.

Okay, we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it is rationale to think that someone's performance in a game, setting the state record for most rushing touchdowns in a half and being MVP of the same state championship game will be looked at even better than before. I call it the cream rising to the top, showing what you can do in front of 12,000 people and live in front of college coaches that already know you. It has major impact on your recruitment!

 

 

No question some kids earn their offers based on coaches seeing them in games. My guess, though, is that the top players earn scholarships in the summer camps when they can see them up close and against top-notch competition. A qb having a big game against high school kids who will not play college ball doesn't tell the coach a lot IMO. I think the fact that Zeke had offers before he ever played varsity qb show that.

How would I explain it? Simple. I think it makes the team better.

 

Good answere ! My next question is , how would you explain it if you had made the wrong coaching decision and it cost your team a state title ?

Good answere ! My next question is , how would you explain it if you had made the wrong coaching decision and it cost your team a state title ?

 

I wouldn't. I'd have a hard time believing one player cost me a title.

I wouldn't. I'd have a hard time believing one player cost me a title.

 

Dang !!! Another good answere !!! ( Well done , I give up !!! ) :lol:

No question some kids earn their offers based on coaches seeing them in games. My guess, though, is that the top players earn scholarships in the summer camps when they can see them up close and against top-notch competition. A qb having a big game against high school kids who will not play college ball doesn't tell the coach a lot IMO.

 

A big game, game after game provides a coach a ton of information. And don't think for a minute that college coaches don't monitor what their recruits did against a defense like HHS.

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