I generally agree with you 75. Your logic and common sense tend to be right on the mark... at least from my POV. (Sorry... kinda scary I know.)

 

I offer my amendment to your statement that "No one should live in this country for free." You may accept or reject it... :thumb:

 

I suggest that there are many who should live here free:

 

Children too young to work and earn.

The elderly that have worked their entire lives and paid into the system that supports us all... (I guess technically, that's not free because they have paid into and sacrificed to "earn" their keep during their less productive years.)

And those pyhsically or mentally unable to labor, earn and pay their fair share of taxes.

 

That's it... everyone else should have some "skin in the game" as B.O. says.

 

Felons in prison should have to labor at some useful task, craft or service to at the very least help offset the expense of their upkeep.

 

Illegals should not be permitted to work "off the grid" for "cash under the table" and "outside of the tax system".

 

Those willing to park at the bottom of the Welfare ladder, making no legitimate effort to improve themselves or their circumstances may need to be viewed as adult children of the state. As dependents, perhaps they should not merit the "right" to vote and select policy makers. This has nothing to do with discriminating against the poor, but actually quite the opposite. It prevents self-serving politicians from further enabling (rewarding) wrong behavior.

 

Punishing achievers and success while rewarding lack of effort or failure is a recipe for disaster.

 

I can agree with most of what you have said here, with Hatz's amendment. :thumb:

Maybe when you grow up and develop some kind of compassion, you will realize that the economic drive to the bottom line is not good for the country.

 

I have lots of compassion. I have employeed hundreds of people during my life. Giving them an opportunity to provide for themselves and their families which is one of the best feelings of self worth that a person can give. I contribute to charities of my choice and have helped several young men and women graduate from college, to move on to a better life.

 

What is you definition of compassion?

 

Creating generationally dependent people? Not holding people accountable for their actions? You think that things should just be taken from people who produce so you can give it to people that don't or won't. Helping people is a good thing. Creating a dependent class is not a good thing, and that is exactly what the welfare system has become. Reform the system so that it aids, helps, and uplifts instead of this current system of enslavement created by dependency.

Wisconsin Works, a Gov. Tommy Thompson initiative, has been law in Wisconsin since 1997. Basically, W-2 did away with the state's entitlement program and replaced it with a program that employed people through public works projects and subsidized private jobs. There is a process of evaluation and assessment to qualify those who cannot work, so they can still get assistance, but those who can work, must work to get help.

 

Wonder if there are any stats on people moving out of Wisconsin for a more welfare friendly state.

I have lots of compassion. I have employeed hundreds of people during my life. Giving them an opportunity to provide for themselves and their families which is one of the best feelings of self worth that a person can give. I contribute to charities of my choice and have helped several young men and women graduate from college, to move on to a better life.

 

What is you definition of compassion?

 

Creating generationally dependent people? Not holding people accountable for their actions? You think that things should just be taken from people who produce so you can give it to people that don't or won't. Helping people is a good thing. Creating a dependent class is not a good thing, and that is exactly what the welfare system has become. Reform the system so that it aids, helps, and uplifts instead of this current system of enslavement created by dependency.

 

But welfare and is not the same as unemployment. I agree that there are things that need to be changed about welfare. But it's really frustrating that so many people are now lumping unemployment into the same category. They are different, intended for similar, but different purposes.

 

At the minimum, recieving unemployment is:

 

1) dependent upon having held a job

2) reviewable and able to be denied based upon the reason one is without a job.

3) appealable

4) finite

 

Welfare benefits can possibly be applied for and received by the same individuals who are receiving UE, although at lesser amounts than if not on UE.

 

Currently, with hudreds dropping of daily because of the 99 week limitation (with which I agree), I would have to suspect at least a healthy number are now going to be hitting full eligibility for welfare benefits.

 

Creating a dependent class isn't in UE, it's in allowing the welfare system to keep absorbing these people without reforming that system and making that system work more efficiently and cost effectively.

 

I've had tons of suggestions for reform on that front.

 

But please don't be one of those people that lumps UE with welfare.

But welfare and is not the same as unemployment. I agree that there are things that need to be changed about welfare. But it's really frustrating that so many people are now lumping unemployment into the same category. They are different, intended for similar, but different purposes.

 

At the minimum, recieving unemployment is:

 

1) dependent upon having held a job

2) reviewable and able to be denied based upon the reason one is without a job.

3) appealable

4) finite

 

Welfare benefits can possibly be applied for and received by the same individuals who are receiving UE, although at lesser amounts than if not on UE.

 

Currently, with hudreds dropping of daily because of the 99 week limitation (with which I agree), I would have to suspect at least a healthy number are now going to be hitting full eligibility for welfare benefits.

 

Creating a dependent class isn't in UE, it's in allowing the welfare system to keep absorbing these people without reforming that system and making that system work more efficiently and cost effectively.

 

I've had tons of suggestions for reform on that front.

 

But please don't be one of those people that lumps UE with welfare.

Unemployment for 99 weeks is no different then welfare. You say you agree with 99 weeks. Why 99 weeks?

Unemployment for 99 weeks is no different then welfare. You say you agree with 99 weeks. Why 99 weeks?

 

I said I agree with the 99 week limitation, if you'll re-read what I wrote.

 

And Unemployment for 1 week or 99 is different than welfare.

I said I agree with the 99 week limitation, if you'll re-read what I wrote.

 

And Unemployment for 1 week or 99 is different than welfare.

 

I know what you said, re-read what I wrote. If you agree with the 99 week limitation why? Why stop it at 99 weeks? Why extend it for 99 weeks. Why not 52 weeks? 75 weeks? 125 weeks?

I know what you said, re-read what I wrote. If you agree with the 99 week limitation why? Why stop it at 99 weeks? Why extend it for 99 weeks. Why not 52 weeks? 75 weeks? 125 weeks?

 

The 99 weeks isn't permanent as far as I know. It's a concession to the fact that the economy isn't going to rebound quickly.

The 99 weeks isn't permanent as far as I know. It's a concession to the fact that the economy isn't going to rebound quickly.

 

I think your right about it being temporary but again why 99 weeks?

The 99 weeks isn't permanent as far as I know. It's a concession to the fact that the economy isn't going to rebound quickly.

 

It's just like a targeted tax. It may be passed with the assurance from the government that it will end BUT when the time comes for it to end there is some reason invented why it shouldn't. (If I'm not mistaken we are still paying a telecommunications tax that was passed strictly to fund the Spanish/American War) IF we are intelligetnt enough to elect R majorities in congress this year and there is any discussion of rolling back there "temporary" extensions I can already hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Ds.

 

I have no faith that these "temporary" extensions will ever lapse.

I don't have access to research it (posting from my phone), but I believe the extension was put in place at the same time as the financial meltdown with the knowledge that the higher paying white collar jobs would take longer to bring back. Thus the extension to give people the time to find comparable jobs. Of course, no huge job growth has been seen iun any industry at this point. Apparently it's hard to believe, but many jobs have not and will not be re-created. I've seen it in my industry particularly.

 

I have a question for those who oppose UE, what would you do if you lost your job tomorrow?

I don't have access to research it (posting from my phone), but I believe the extension was put in place at the same time as the financial meltdown with the knowledge that the higher paying white collar jobs would take longer to bring back. Thus the extension to give people the time to find comparable jobs. Of course, no huge job growth has been seen iun any industry at this point. Apparently it's hard to believe, but many jobs have not and will not be re-created. I've seen it in my industry particularly.

 

I have a question for those who oppose UE, what would you do if you lost your job tomorrow?

I don't have access to research it (posting from my phone), but I believe the extension was put in place at the same time as the financial meltdown with the knowledge that the higher paying white collar jobs would take longer to bring back. Thus the extension to give people the time to find comparable jobs. Of course, no huge job growth has been seen iun any industry at this point. Apparently it's hard to believe, but many jobs have not and will not be re-created. I've seen it in my industry particularly.

 

I have a question for those who oppose UE, what would you do if you lost your job tomorrow?

 

Head straight to Coleville Rd. and farm. I'm thinking of quitting my job and do just that anyway.

I don't have access to research it (posting from my phone), but I believe the extension was put in place at the same time as the financial meltdown with the knowledge that the higher paying white collar jobs would take longer to bring back. Thus the extension to give people the time to find comparable jobs. Of course, no huge job growth has been seen iun any industry at this point. Apparently it's hard to believe, but many jobs have not and will not be re-created. I've seen it in my industry particularly.

 

I have a question for those who oppose UE, what would you do if you lost your job tomorrow?

 

I don't oppose unemployment and in fact was on UI for about 2 months at one time. I oppose the extension that was just done without funding it. The dems made a huge show of passing pay/go legislation but have exempted every peiece of legislation they have passed from it.

I don't oppose unemployment and in fact was on UI for about 2 months at one time. I oppose the extension that was just done without funding it. The dems made a huge show of passing pay/go legislation but have exempted every peiece of legislation they have passed from it.

Excellent post… :thumb:

 

I too was eligible to collect unemployment once in the mid-1980s. While I appreciated being able to eat and keep the lights on, the amount I received was nowhere near what I could actually "earn" doing almost anything else. I couldn't wait to get on with earning rather than receiving.

 

Following a few weeks beating the bushes to no avail, I decided to start my own business, and have been self-employed ever since. To this day, I cannot collect unemployment… not even if I lose all my clients and workload. I have to tell you, it's a pretty strong incentive to keep knocking my tail off to provide the best service I possibly can to those who trust me to serve them. I could not imagine being on unemployment 13 weeks... much less 99 weeks... (…that's only five weeks shy of being two full years.)