July 23, 201016 yr I found this interesting: PHOENIX -- A federal judge pushed back Thursday against a contention by the Obama Justice Department that a tough new Arizona immigration law set to take effect next week would cause "irreparable harm" and intrude into federal immigration enforcement. "Why can't Arizona be as inhospitable as they wish to people who have entered or remained in the United States?" U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton asked in a pointed exchange with Deputy Solicitor General Edwin S. Kneedler. Her comment came during a rare federal court hearing in the Justice Department's lawsuit against Arizona and Gov. Jan Brewer ®. Bolton, a Democratic appointee, also questioned a core part of the Justice Department's argument that she should declare the law unconstitutional: that it is "preempted" by federal law because immigration enforcement is an exclusive federal prerogative. "How is there a preemption issue?" the judge asked. "I understand there may be other issues, but you're arguing preemption. Where is the preemption if everybody who is arrested for some crime has their immigration status checked?" Link
July 24, 201016 yr I found this interesting: Link It''s probably too much to hope that this judge will stick to the letter of the law, but if she does, my guess is the Obama Justice department will be appealing to a higher court.
July 24, 201016 yr Regardless of my personal feelings about the law, it's good to see states taking the matter into their own hands rather than waiting for the feds to dictate terms to them.
July 28, 201016 yr Where is the preemption if everybody who is arrested for some crime has their immigration status checked?" My understanding (and I've been wrong before, just not very often:D) is that not everyone arrested for some crime will have their status cheked. AZ police officers are being trained that signs that might indicate a person is an illegal immigrant are: "speaking poor English, looking nervous, or traveling in an overcrowded vehicle".
July 28, 201016 yr "There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law," Is this woman stupid or what?
July 28, 201016 yr Where is the preemption if everybody who is arrested for some crime has their immigration status checked?" My understanding (and I've been wrong before, just not very often:D) is that not everyone arrested for some crime will have their status cheked. AZ police officers are being trained that signs that might indicate a person is an illegal immigrant are: "speaking poor English, looking nervous, or traveling in an overcrowded vehicle". They are also being trained that "race and ethnicity do not." As to the training "It will emphasize the importance of professionalism, ethics and integrity, as well as an officer's duty to protect civil rights, according to the outline."
July 28, 201016 yr They are also being trained that "race and ethnicity do not." As to the training "It will emphasize the importance of professionalism, ethics and integrity, as well as an officer's duty to protect civil rights, according to the outline." You are correct. That is what I read also. I'm thinking a fairly large segment of people arrested for some crime will be "looking nervous". The safe thing to do, from the standpoint of NOT racial profiling, is to check the status of either all or none. It's the "speaking poor English" that worries me. I suspect that this may apply to many legal immigrants.
July 28, 201016 yr "There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law," Is this woman stupid or what? Why is that stupid? You are correct. That is what I read also. I'm thinking a fairly large segment of people arrested for some crime will be "looking nervous". The safe thing to do, from the standpoint of NOT racial profiling, is to check the status of either all or none. It's the "speaking poor English" that worries me. I suspect that this may apply to many legal immigrants. It may be a minor interference for legal immigrants. But, once they can prove that they're here legally, there will be no problem.
July 28, 201016 yr The safe thing to do, from the standpoint of NOT racial profiling, is to check the status of either all or none. It's the "speaking poor English" that worries me. I suspect that this may apply to many legal immigrants. I can't imagine why we wouldn't screen EVERY law breaker for citizenship anyway. If not, I can see a hilarious SNL sketch featuring extremely eloquent English speaking illegals... :lol:
July 28, 201016 yr CNN is reporting that the judge blocked enforcement of the most controversial parts of the law. So technically if you are here illegally, even if you break the law, the authorities can't ask for proof of residency, a green card, or visa? Makes perfect since to me. Maybe I can sue the next police officer who asks for my driver license?
July 28, 201016 yr CNN is reporting that the judge blocked enforcement of the most controversial parts of the law. So technically if you are here illegally, even if you break the law, the authorities can't ask for proof of residency, a green card, or visa? Makes perfect since to me. Maybe I can sue the next police officer who asks for my driver license? Smart aleck racist... j/k :lol: Me too... :thumb:
July 28, 201016 yr The judge is an idiot... She doesn't even know federal law.... The federal immigration law states that legal immigrants MUST carry their papers,(green card,etc) at all times...
July 28, 201016 yr The judge is an idiot... She doesn't even know federal law.... The federal immigration law states that legal immigrants MUST carry their papers,(green card,etc) at all times... However, if I am a citizen I will not have any papers. What then?
July 28, 201016 yr However, if I am a citizen I will not have any papers. What then? And that worries me as well.
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