However, if I am a citizen I will not have any papers. What then?

Exactly.... The judge is an idiot.. Glad you agree...

However, if I am a citizen I will not have any papers. What then?

Hopefully you would be locked up for your suspicious behavior. :thumb:

 

You do have a valid driver's license issued by the state of your residency don't you Ace? This is not something illegal aliens should be carrying around with them... hence the need for papers such as a travel visa validating the reason they are "visiting" our fine land. Something everyone of us would need if we were visiting Meh-hee-co.

 

I agree with Cammando...

More... http://blog.heritage.org/2010/07/28/on-arizona-and-immigration-judge-ignores-rule-of-law/

Judge Bolton failed to give the State the respect it was due on this issue. Indeed, it is strong evidence of an activist judge straining to find a way to stop a law that she does not like from a policy (not a legal) standpoint. It is also completely contrary to federal law that specifically requires federal officials to “respond to an inquiry by a…State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual.” (8 U.S.C. §1373). How can Judge Bolton rationally conclude that Arizona is placing an impermissible burden on the federal government to respond to citizenship verification requests when federal law mandates that the feds respond to such requests? The judge’s reasoning is foolish – she is treating the Obama administration’s enforcement priorities (or lack of enforcement priorities) as if they are federal law. Arizona’s law does not conflict with federal immigration law, although it may conflict with the Obama administration’s policies. But policy conflicts do not result in federal preemption. Judge Bolton’s reasoning also conflicts with a very recent First Circuit Court of Appeals decision, Estrada v. Rhode Island, that upheld the right of state law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of individuals detained for other reasons such as a traffic stop, as well as other precedents.

However, if I am a citizen I will not have any papers. What then?

Maybe the ACLU should take up the cause of illegals that want to rent a movie at BlockBuster... I hear they require some form of I.D. there too... :eek:

I just watched a news clip of hundreds of Mexicans celebrating the ruling. What is there to celebrate...That it will now be easier to be an illegal immigrant? Their family members will not be going to jail for breaking the law? What?

If I understand correctly the ruling did not prevent police from enforcing Federal laws. The ruling simply blocked AZ from "requiring" that the authorities check for "papers."

Okay... here's the next wave of lunacy that could be possible...

 

What if illegal immigrants come in and demand welfare dollars, but a state welfare office refuses them (in effect, enforcing federal law) the ACLU sues on behalf of the illegal immigrant using what just happened today as precedent denying states the ability to assist the federal government in enforcing its own laws. The illegals win, 12 million get welfare and we go broke faster.

 

This decision makes absolutely no sense whatsoever... it cannot be allowed to stand.

I goof off a lot on BGP but I'm absolutely serious about the following three words... writ of mandamus.

 

I'd like to know what some of our legal eagles think about this as a possible remedy?

I get tired of just spewing opinion... (as reasonable as mine may be.) This is what the actual U.S. Code (Law) says about non-resident aliens visiting our fair shores...

 

Sec 264. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1304 (e) Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

 

This is what the actual letter of our federal law states. This is precisely what Arizona was permitting their local law enforcement to follow up on.

 

The judge is an agenda driven activist with no regard for our actual laws... and while we wait for a more intelligent, non-partisan review, Arizona continues to be deluged by nearly a half-million illegals entering every year.

Edited July 29, 201016 yr by Fastbreak

^ Permit me to ask a naive question. Can an alien (legal) be a citizen?

No, you are no longer an alien once you become a citizen.

 

For those of you that agree with this ruling on the basis that states shouldn't pass laws that trump federal statutes where do you weigh in on the states that have passed medical marijuana laws?

 

Is Holder and the rest of the Obamunists going to now file suit in an effort to have these state laws THAT CONTRIDICT FEDERAL STATUTE thrown out? If not, why not? After all if all Holder and the Obamunists are doing is protecting the feds authority to enforce it's laws then isn't it pretty much a no brainer that they should be suing to have those laws invalidated?

So if someone is here legally what are they worried about? Being asked to prove it? No, they are worried they will be asked because of their ethnicity. Doesn't the law say they can only be asked if they are detained for something else? If that is the case, I don't see the problem. If I'm detained by law enforcement I would expect to have to provide some form of identification. If I'm in a foreign country I have to carry my passport at all times.

You are correct. That is what I read also.

 

I'm thinking a fairly large segment of people arrested for some crime will be "looking nervous".

 

 

The safe thing to do, from the standpoint of NOT racial profiling, is to check the status of either all or none. It's the "speaking poor English" that worries me. I suspect that this may apply to many legal immigrants.

 

When stopped in college I ALWAYS looked nervous, and often didn't speak good english.

Why is that stupid?

 

 

 

It may be a minor interference for legal immigrants. But, once they can prove that they're here legally, there will be no problem.

 

Because what she states is just the opposite of what is happening. Arizona law would support federal immigration laws while the sanctuary cities are helping illegals to circumvent the federal immigration laws.