I think Hartline has improved by leaps and bounds this year. However, my only critique of him right now is I wish he would stretch the field a little more. I'd like to know how many passes he had last game that were passed for more than 10 yards (in the air, not YAC). Unless I'm mistaken, it was an extremely low number.

 

Despite that though, all Hartline did last year was throw to the flat or to running back and nothing down the field or up the middle. He has improved dramatically in that respect as he is throwing with confidence down the middle of the field which I like. Yet again, the only thing is that I'd like him to throw the ball more down field to stretch the defense which will help open up our run game even more.

 

Despite these small critiques, I believe Hartline has done a very good job this year as the starter and has cemented his position as the starting QB, unless injury strikes.

Ok that's fine. It's no big deal. No legit team has this problem, so UK will continue to just be average. No big deal.

 

It's just something no one else does. You would think that at least one legit program might do this if it was a good idea. Once again, only super rebuilding jobs like Michigan need to do this. If that means turning a four star away then so be it. QB's transferring out is a terrible situation. As a Canes guy, I have seen it more than most in the last few years. So when you take them, and redshirt them, you know one will leave, I don't see why you put yourself in that position.

 

Having two highly touted QB's in the same class is anything but a problem

 

No matter how you want to spin it...

Ok that's fine. It's no big deal. No legit team has this problem, so UK will continue to just be average. No big deal.

 

It's just something no one else does. You would think that at least one legit program might do this if it was a good idea. Once again, only super rebuilding jobs like Michigan need to do this. If that means turning a four star away then so be it. QB's transferring out is a terrible situation. As a Canes guy, I have seen it more than most in the last few years. So when you take them, and redshirt them, you know one will leave, I don't see why you put yourself in that position.

 

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Having two highly touted QB's in the same class is anything but a problem

 

No matter how you want to spin it...

 

For nothing more than some comedy on a rainy day I couldn't stay away. I HAD to see his response. LOL. I just don't get it. Your response however is right on.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

:thumb:

 

And all this and it DOESN'T even matter. Both will be behind Hartline this year AND next unless something I don't forsee happens in the spring.

Having two highly touted QB's in the same class is anything but a problem

 

No matter how you want to spin it...

 

Then why don't other teams do it. You didn't see USC taking Barkley and Forcier, though they possibly could have gotten both. Teams just usually don't do it. Usually when you get a highly touted QB, you let him know that he is your guy for the future.

 

Sure you have competition, but that competition is usually from class to class. It's not a problem if a Frosh beats out a Junior. That makes everyone better, this competition will make everyone better, but you're definitely going to lose one of them.

 

My argument is that in theory, you are signing a player that will never get to play major minutes most likely. I don't think you should plan on injuries, or not being able to bring in other talent QB's, or one of the two being good enough to leave early.

 

You just don't usually see teams bring in two highly touted QB's to give them both the redshirt. It's not because they can't because if UK can, than legit top flight schools could as well. Don't you think Texas would? They have the strongest stranglehold on top talent, because they are in a recruiting hot-bed and are the TOP choice for almost every player from Texas. They select. Wouldn't they select two really good QB's if possible if it was such a easy decision.

 

Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

I don't know. You guys know everything. UK has handled this like every other team in the country.

 

Most teams, and fan bases, would like for the QB position to be pretty consistent from year to year. Say these two are Seniors and don't leave, what do you do? Does the backup get minutes in garbage time? Or do you let the younger players below them get some reps so you're not as bad off next year?

 

So please name me one instance where this has worked. Any instance. Two QB's, same class, both redshirted and it worked out for the best. I don't think it's ever happened in the modern era, and if it has I will concede. But find me one instance, please.

 

If you can't then don't throw this idea out, just because you haven't looked outside the box enough to see the whole picture. Yeah it looks great to have all this talent, but it's not being used, and one of the two will never be used.

Then why don't other teams do it. You didn't see USC taking Barkley and Forcier, though they possibly could have gotten both. Teams just usually don't do it. Usually when you get a highly touted QB, you let him know that he is your guy for the future.

 

Sure you have competition, but that competition is usually from class to class. It's not a problem if a Frosh beats out a Junior. That makes everyone better, this competition will make everyone better, but you're definitely going to lose one of them.

 

My argument is that in theory, you are signing a player that will never get to play major minutes most likely. I don't think you should plan on injuries, or not being able to bring in other talent QB's, or one of the two being good enough to leave early.

 

You just don't usually see teams bring in two highly touted QB's to give them both the redshirt. It's not because they can't because if UK can, than legit top flight schools could as well. Don't you think Texas would? They have the strongest stranglehold on top talent, because they are in a recruiting hot-bed and are the TOP choice for almost every player from Texas. They select. Wouldn't they select two really good QB's if possible if it was such a easy decision.

 

 

 

I don't know. You guys know everything. UK has handled this like every other team in the country.

 

Most teams, and fan bases, would like for the QB position to be pretty consistent from year to year. Say these two are Seniors and don't leave, what do you do? Does the backup get minutes in garbage time? Or do you let the younger players below them get some reps so you're not as bad off next year?

 

So please name me one instance where this has worked. Any instance. Two QB's, same class, both redshirted and it worked out for the best. I don't think it's ever happened in the modern era, and if it has I will concede. But find me one instance, please.

 

If you can't then don't throw this idea out, just because you haven't looked outside the box enough to see the whole picture. Yeah it looks great to have all this talent, but it's not being used, and one of the two will never be used.

 

Worked out for WHO? Peyton and UT would say it worked out very well. It is the KID who makes the choice, NOT the responsibility of the school to say...you know what QB RECRUIT, you might not win the job -- you should go elsewhere. If Brandon Stewart wasn't good enough to beat Peyton out, then go to Texas A and M. If "Little Vick" can't beat Ainge out...go. UT made out like bandits. Didn't have to decide which qb they wanted out of HS, got them both and then watched the better of the 2 start for 4 years. I'd say it worked out very well for Phil and UT, wouldn't you?

Worked out for WHO? Peyton and UT would say it worked out very well. It is the KID who makes the choice, NOT the responsibility of the school to say...you know what QB RECRUIT, you might not win the job -- you should go elsewhere. If Brandon Stewart wasn't good enough to beat Peyton out, then go to Texas A and M. If "Little Vick" can't beat Ainge out...go. UT made out like bandits. Didn't have to decide which qb they wanted out of HS, got them both and then watched the better of the 2 start for 4 years. I'd say it worked out very well for Phil and UT, wouldn't you?

 

I would have to say it did. :popcorn:

Worked out for WHO? Peyton and UT would say it worked out very well. It is the KID who makes the choice, NOT the responsibility of the school to say...you know what QB RECRUIT, you might not win the job -- you should go elsewhere. If Brandon Stewart wasn't good enough to beat Peyton out, then go to Texas A and M. If "Little Vick" can't beat Ainge out...go. UT made out like bandits. Didn't have to decide which qb they wanted out of HS, got them both and then watched the better of the 2 start for 4 years. I'd say it worked out very well for Phil and UT, wouldn't you?

 

Very well. Especially with the Peyton one, but he didn't redshirt did he? If so then +1. Ainge and Schaeffer are a little different because they didn't redshirt. They were thrown into the fire. Had Schaff not have gotten into a little bit of trouble and left, most likely he would have gotten the shirt the next year or likely moved to another position because it was clear that Ainge was the better of the two after we had seen them in action. Practice doesn't simumlate a game, especially an SEC game.

 

My biggest argument is that by reshirting them both you are left with few options down the road. One will end up leaving, unless they can find a new position. QB's usually don't go that route, especially being highly touted though. IF one turns into Manning, then that would be great. I don't know that I would even call Ainge a huge success, as he really never lived up to his billing in college, he was suppose to be a huge star. But, I'd probably settle for one of them being as good a him as well.

 

I don't know. You guys know everything. UK has handled this like every other team in the country.

 

Most teams, and fan bases, would like for the QB position to be pretty consistent from year to year. Say these two are Seniors and don't leave, what do you do? Does the backup get minutes in garbage time? Or do you let the younger players below them get some reps so you're not as bad off next year?

 

So please name me one instance where this has worked. Any instance. Two QB's, same class, both redshirted and it worked out for the best. I don't think it's ever happened in the modern era, and if it has I will concede. But find me one instance, please.

 

If you can't then don't throw this idea out, just because you haven't looked outside the box enough to see the whole picture. Yeah it looks great to have all this talent, but it's not being used, and one of the two will never be used.

You are the one who says that teams don't recruit two QB's in the same class.. and if they do, that one always transfers. Why don't you come up with the examples of that happening all the time?

 

For many reasons, players often don't turn out to be as good as the stars on rivals and scout say. I'd rather be deep at any position and have competition than to have only one option.

You are the one who says that teams don't recruit two QB's in the same class.. and if they do, that one always transfers. Why don't you come up with the examples of that happening all the time?

 

For many reasons, players often don't turn out to be as good as the stars on rivals and scout say. I'd rather be deep at any position and have competition than to have only one option.

 

There aren't many examples for that reason IMO. For instance when Snead was commited to UF and then Tebow transferred it was pretty clear that Tebow would get the first crack, and Snead decommitted. Teams just don't take two like that. It's not that a team like UF couldn't get two really good QB's, they just settle on one and bring him in.

 

You have to create depth. Most try to do it over a few years, not all in one class at QB. It does you little good for the future for the two best QB's on your roster to be in the same class. It's harder to get players to want to come because of the logjam. Sure competition makes you better, but most want that competition spread out in age levels a little bit.

There aren't many examples for that reason IMO. For instance when Snead was commited to UF and then Tebow transferred it was pretty clear that Tebow would get the first crack, and Snead decommitted. Teams just don't take two like that. It's not that a team like UF couldn't get two really good QB's, they just settle on one and bring him in.

 

You have to create depth. Most try to do it over a few years, not all in one class at QB. It does you little good for the future for the two best QB's on your roster to be in the same class. It's harder to get players to want to come because of the logjam. Sure competition makes you better, but most want that competition spread out in age levels a little bit.

 

It's not like UF pulled his scolly when they signed Tebow. He left on his own. I'd imagine they'd gladly have taken another QB.

 

I agree that you don't often see it....but only because once one QB commits other QB's realize it and don't want the competition.

 

Neither of these kids were scared of the competition and UK ended up with two.