At their prime, whether anything was ingested or not, Manny and Papi were devastating.

At their prime, whether anything was ingested or not, Manny and Papi were devastating.

 

:thumb:

 

As bad as I hate to admit it, Pujols and Halladay are killing it!

I thought the batting order was

1 Rose

2 Morgan

3 Griffey

4 Bench

5 Perez

6 Foster

7 Concepcion

8 Geronimo

Check out Williams and Foxx in 1939.

 

I did.

 

Jimmy Foxx/Ted Williams in 1939:

 

261 RS, 323 H, 75 2B, 21 3B, 66 HR, 250 RBI, 196 BB, .342 AVG, .446 OBP

 

Ted Williams/Vern Stephens in 1949:

 

263 RS, 371 H, 70 2B, 5 3B, 82 HR, 318 RBI, 263 BB, .316 AVG, . 441 OBP

 

The 1949 duo led in 5 of the 9 categories and drove in 68 more runs. Plus the 1949 team won 96 games compared to 89. The only big advantage the 1939 duo had was in batting average and the 1949 two made up for that in on base percentage. Foxx may have been a bigger name but Stephens was a better combo with Williams and actually should be in the Hall of Fame.

I thought the batting order was

1 Rose

2 Morgan

3 Griffey

4 Bench

5 Perez

6 Foster

7 Concepcion

8 Geronimo

 

 

Flip Morgan and Griffey.

SF Bonds and Kemp

A's Canseco and McGwire

 

These were the first two that popped into my head.

Do you mean Kent?

 

Yes and thanks for catching.

Memory is not what it used to be but:

 

A's Who hit in front of Reggie Jackson? Bando? Rudi?

 

Baltimore Boog Powell and Frank Robinson ?

 

Pittsburgh Bonilla and Bonds? Parker and Stargell?

 

Philadelphia Schmidt and Luzinski?

 

Just some thoughts on some of the teams.

I did.

 

Jimmy Foxx/Ted Williams in 1939:

 

261 RS, 323 H, 75 2B, 21 3B, 66 HR, 250 RBI, 196 BB, .342 AVG, .446 OBP

 

Ted Williams/Vern Stephens in 1949:

 

263 RS, 371 H, 70 2B, 5 3B, 82 HR, 318 RBI, 263 BB, .316 AVG, . 441 OBP

 

The 1949 duo led in 5 of the 9 categories and drove in 68 more runs. Plus the 1949 team won 96 games compared to 89. The only big advantage the 1939 duo had was in batting average and the 1949 two made up for that in on base percentage (I may be off but I believe that Foxx/Williams had a higher OBP). Foxx may have been a bigger name but Stephens was a better combo with Williams and actually should be in the Hall of Fame.

 

I agree with you in longevity, but I was surprised by the stats. I was looking at 1939 (really the only year that Foxx and Williams were on the same level at the same time) and didn't think anyone else would compare. You make a great point though in RBIs, which I think was where you were going w/ that. Either way, Williams was lucky to have such talent around him, or he may have walked 200 times per season.

The Reds 3-4 should be either Morgan -Bench, which were the primary 3 and 4 hitters for 1975, or Morgan-Foster, which were the primary 3 and 4 hitters for 1976.

 

Are you sure? I looked up the '76 World Series and it was Morgan, Perez. In the '75 World Series it was the Bench-Perez. However, I wasn't alive for the regular season, so I really don't know...

I agree with you in longevity, but I was surprised by the stats. I was looking at 1939 (really the only year that Foxx and Williams were on the same level at the same time) and didn't think anyone else would compare. You make a great point though in RBIs, which I think was where you were going w/ that. Either way, Williams was lucky to have such talent around him, or he may have walked 200 times per season.

 

 

The RBIs was a huge deal and the thing is they both drove in 159 runs that year. Stephens was an excellent offensive player that has been largely overlooked and really should have been in the Hall of Fame--especially considering that he put up a lot of his numbers at shortstop. You're correct about the hitters around Williams--Doerr was excellent also, plus he had excellent table setters in DiMaggio and Pesky. I would love to have seen some of those teams play.

Are you sure? I looked up the '76 World Series and it was Morgan, Perez. In the '75 World Series it was the Bench-Perez. However, I wasn't alive for the regular season, so I really don't know...

 

 

Positive. Check out the lineups for the regular season for both of those years.

Positive. Check out the lineups for the regular season for both of those years.

 

The cleanup hitter in 1976 was pretty much split up. Perez appeared there in 52 games, Bench in 32 and Foster in 64--there really wasn't a primary cleanup guy that year.

The cleanup hitter in 1976 was pretty much split up. Perez appeared there in 52 games, Bench in 32 and Foster in 64--there really wasn't a primary cleanup guy that year.

 

 

Morgan and Foster were used as the 3-4 hitters more than anyone else, so they were the primary 3-4 hitters that year.

Morgan and Foster were used as the 3-4 hitters more than anyone else, so they were the primary 3-4 hitters that year.

 

Morgan was the Reds primary #3 hitter from 1975-1979. If you take that into account his primary #4 hitter would have to be considered George Foster. During that stretch 3 people got the majority of at bats in the cleanup spots. Tony Perez appeared in 106 games there, Johnny Bench in 168 and Foster in 337 games.