He's not just fast. Watch him some this season, he is a very good passer as well. You also have to take into account when you watch them that he plays for Baylor. But, Griffin is a very smart kid, and his passing will only improve with time. Not to mention that he will continue to get faster from running track.

 

 

 

That's why I said that. He's not like them. He is an athletic QB who can pass. Maybe he will never be as accurate as Peyton Manning, but I think he is what everyone thought Vick would be.

 

 

 

I wish he was my relative, so he could give me some money in a few years. Most draft experts have him as the top QB for his draft class. (Since he is only a sophomore, they don't have him ranked for 2011, though I think that's when he leaves)

 

I just wanted to throw it out there, before everyone starts to get on his bandwagon. Watch him this year, and everyone will forget all about Pryor. I would only take 4 other QB's over him this year to start a college team, obviously Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, and Snead. And alot of that has to do with experience, though I don't know if he can ever be as good in college as the Big 3. But some of that comes with the team that he is on.

 

Unfortunately, he has a very similar throwing motion to the qb's you mentioned. They all have a habit of keeping their elbow below their shoulder when they throw. This causes them to be inconsistent and to miss their targets low. To compensate for this throwing flaw qb's begin to throw the ball harder and harder at their targets, causing them to drop their lead shoulder, lock their hips to early and lift their back foot.

 

At the high school and college level when you see players with a low elbow it is usually because as they were growing up they were taught to hold the ball high on their dropback. Usually told to hold the ball at their ear. This is completely wrong because to be an accurate and strong armed qb your elbow must lead the throw. For your elbow to lead the throw after holding it at your ear you have to drop it down below your shoulder this takes away power and accuracy.

True, but being really fast and being an NFL QB are 2 totally different things. JMO.

 

Yes, but he's also more than that, he can actually pass, something most QB's that are great runners can't do.

Unfortunately, he has a very similar throwing motion to the qb's you mentioned. They all have a habit of keeping their elbow below their shoulder when they throw. This causes them to be inconsistent and to miss their targets low. To compensate for this throwing flaw qb's begin to throw the ball harder and harder at their targets, causing them to drop their lead shoulder, lock their hips to early and lift their back foot.

 

At the high school and college level when you see players with a low elbow it is usually because as they were growing up they were taught to hold the ball high on their dropback. Usually told to hold the ball at their ear. This is completely wrong because to be an accurate and strong armed qb your elbow must lead the throw. For your elbow to lead the throw after holding it at your ear you have to drop it down below your shoulder this takes away power and accuracy.

 

With some guys it's not about mechanics. Jordan's fade-away jumper wasn't fundamentally sound but it worked. With his speed and athleticism he doesn't have to be Peyton Manning. He has to throw a catchable ball which he is more than capable of. I think he survives as an NFL QB because other than Vick he will be the fastest QB to have tried, and he is a much better passer at this stage than Vince Young or Pat White. Just wait, being in the Big 12 you know he's going to get some QB coaching.

With some guys it's not about mechanics. Jordan's fade-away jumper wasn't fundamentally sound but it worked. With his speed and athleticism he doesn't have to be Peyton Manning. He has to throw a catchable ball which he is more than capable of. I think he survives as an NFL QB because other than Vick he will be the fastest QB to have tried, and he is a much better passer at this stage than Vince Young or Pat White. Just wait, being in the Big 12 you know he's going to get some QB coaching.

 

 

I understand what your saying but if he has flawed mechanics he will not be a consistent passer and an inconsistent passer is ineffective.

 

I think that Jordan's fade away was sound because when he released the ball he was in the proper position. I.E elbow and shoulders.

Vick led the nation in passing efficiency while at VT, so it wasn't like he was horrible at throwing the ball. His problem was his touch and when he had to make more than 2 reads. If this kid doesn't have it b/n the ears, it won't matter.

I understand what your saying but if he has flawed mechanics he will not be a consistent passer and an inconsistent passer is ineffective.

 

I think that Jordan's fade away was sound because when he released the ball he was in the proper position. I.E elbow and shoulders.

 

I think that some people can overcome that. Look at the success Rich Gannon had with his terrible release point. A good coach can win with an athlete such as Robert Griffin, Vick, or Young.

 

Vick led the nation in passing efficiency while at VT, so it wasn't like he was horrible at throwing the ball. His problem was his touch and when he had to make more than 2 reads. If this kid doesn't have it b/n the ears, it won't matter.

 

Griffin is very smart. I think he was 5th or 6th in his his school class.

I think that some people can overcome that. Look at the success Rich Gannon had with his terrible release point. A good coach can win with an athlete such as Robert Griffin, Vick, or Young.

 

 

 

Griffin is very smart. I think he was 5th or 6th in his his school class.

 

 

 

From what I remember of Gannon when he threw the ball his elbow was elevated above his shoulder, which is correct.

 

What exactly is a terrible release point?

 

Your release point is determined by the type of throw you are making but your elbow should always be elevated above your shoulder and lead ahead of your hand.

 

Griffin throwing motion is very correctable and after a year under his belt I would not be surprised to see improvements in his mechanics. Being that he came in and played as true freshman he only had about a month of practice before the start of the season. I am sure Baylor's coaches decided that they did not have the time to fine tune his motion until the off-season. I really do look forward to watching film on him for this upcoming season. Definitely freak athlete with tremendous upside the sky really is his limit.

From what I remember of Gannon when he threw the ball his elbow was elevated above his shoulder, which is correct.

 

What exactly is a terrible release point?

 

Your release point is determined by the type of throw you are making but your elbow should always be elevated above your shoulder and lead ahead of your hand.

 

Griffin throwing motion is very correctable and after a year under his belt I would not be surprised to see improvements in his mechanics. Being that he came in and played as true freshman he only had about a month of practice before the start of the season. I am sure Baylor's coaches decided that they did not have the time to fine tune his motion until the off-season. I really do look forward to watching film on him for this upcoming season. Definitely freak athlete with tremendous upside the sky really is his limit.

 

Gannon threw side arm from what I remember. I may have him mixed up with someone, but I'm pretty sure it was him.

 

He came to campus a in January, but I would say the coaches still didn't think it was enough time as it was important for him to master enough of the offense to be able to play early.

^^^ By terrible release point, I meant an unorthodox, baseball style throwing motion. Sorry about that.

Just thought I would be one of the first on here to predict that Baylor True Sophomore Robert Griffin may end up as one of the best pro-prospects of all-time. The 6-3, 200 QB came to Baylor because of a strong interest in track and his close relationship to coach Art Briles, and as a true Frosh he only turned one of the worst BCS programs into a competitive team in the tough Big 12. Sub-4.4 40 time and a very good passer. 2000+ yards passing (60% completion percentage), 15-3 TD/INT, 843 rushing yards (1000+ had it not have been for sacks), he is the total package.

 

He may not ever been the college QB that Bradford or Tebow is, but I think he will really change the game, much like Pryor was suppose to. Though Pryor is bigger, why wouldn't you want a guy who runs better and faster, and is a much more polished passer?

 

What does the BGP Nation think?

 

 

He is extremely talented and will only improve, but the best prospect of all time??? He wont be the best prospect of his draft class, much less all time. In all reality though, prospects come and go...Jeff George, Tony Mandarich, Alex Smith, Akili Smith...

He is extremely talented and will only improve, but the best prospect of all time??? He wont be the best prospect of his draft class, much less all time. In all reality though, prospects come and go...Jeff George, Tony Mandarich, Alex Smith, Akili Smith...

 

I know that he is only a Sophomore now, but most have him as the top prospect in his draft class right now. Many like Brian Bromh and Matt Leinart have seen their stock fall during their college years, but the dual threat QB's you can compare him to saw their stock continue to rise of stay the same.

 

Yes, I'm sticking with it. If he stays injury free and continues to put up numbers he will leave after next year as the top prospect in his class and possibly one of the best of all-time. What player compares? Herschel Walker? Vick? Even Peyton Manning was almost drafted over. Griffin has the talent to change the game.

 

If people can say it about Pryor, I can say it about a player who is better than him in every facet of the game. Don't give me wins either. Robert Griffin makes Baylor....BAYLOR!!!!...competitive. What has Pryor done? Won in the Big 10, with the most loaded squad in the conference? Didn't beat the only legit team in the conference? Switch places and I think OSU only loses to USC (who I think was at least the 2nd best team in the country last season).

 

Griffin is a world class athlete with adequate passing skills that will only get better. What other QB has ever been able to say that? Vick was a world class athlete, but in terms of being a raw passer I feel that Griffin is better. Vince Young was a great athlete but lets not confuse him with having Olymic type speed and athleticism. Remember he had only 3 picks last season, as a true frosh! He survived 8 games before throwing a pick (including Oklahoma, OK State, and Nebraska).

 

In Griffin you get a smart QB, who makes good decisions, has size, and has world class speed. That is a POSSIBLE recipe for the best NFL prospect ever.

 

Then again, you have to remember I'm one of the few people on here that think that the NFL will slowly adapt to a less generic type of offensive league. Maybe no one will run the Zone Read as a base play, but teams are going to have to adapt to the types of QB's colleges (and high schools) are feeding them.

Pretty sure the same was said about Reggie Bush being the greatest NFL RB ever too...

The best NFL prospect ever? The easiest way to answer that is to say this. No.

Great college player? Yes. Best NFL prospect ever? NO. :isurrender:

Well he's playing in a conference with mediocre defenses, so I don't think I would anoint him just yet.