How far should the protection of the First Amendment extend? To begin with, should money be considered part of speech? Should anonymity be protected? Should the protection extend to people who wish to revolt? Profanity?

 

I realize the Supreme Court has released plenty of opinions on the matter of free speech in addition to the laws currently restricting it, so I ask as a purely philosophical question, but feel free to discuss those laws and opinions.

I part from some of my Republican brethren when I state that I am a free speech supporter all the way down the line. Campaign contributions, yes. Mapplethorpe exhibits, yes. Revolutionary discussion yes. Profanity and obscenity, yes. I do not believe there is so-called "hate speech." And anyonymity has been protected since Poor Richard's Almanac.

What do you mean in regards to money and free speech?

Hearsay answered that about as well as could be for the answer I'd give. I believe in broad free speech protection.

 

cch, I think that when he asks if money is speech, he's probably referring to campaign contributions.

I part from some of my Republican brethren when I state that I am a free speech supporter all the way down the line. Campaign contributions, yes. Mapplethorpe exhibits, yes. Revolutionary discussion yes. Profanity and obscenity, yes. I do not believe there is so-called "hate speech." And anyonymity has been protected since Poor Richard's Almanac.

 

I'm with you from a legal perspective. From a civility perspective, I believe people should be considerate in the words coming from their mouth. Just because a person may have a right to say something, doesn't mean they should say it.

I part from some of my Republican brethren when I state that I am a free speech supporter all the way down the line. Campaign contributions, yes. Mapplethorpe exhibits, yes. Revolutionary discussion yes. Profanity and obscenity, yes. I do not believe there is so-called "hate speech." And anyonymity has been protected since Poor Richard's Almanac.

I can't add anymore than this. Well said.

I'm with you from a legal perspective. From a civility perspective, I believe people should be considerate in the words coming from their mouth. Just because a person may have a right to say something, doesn't mean they should say it.

 

I have long agreed with the bolded. :thumb:

I part from some of my Republican brethren when I state that I am a free speech supporter all the way down the line. Campaign contributions, yes. Mapplethorpe exhibits, yes. Revolutionary discussion yes. Profanity and obscenity, yes. I do not believe there is so-called "hate speech." And anyonymity has been protected since Poor Richard's Almanac.

 

I think we agree but I must ask the following.

 

Can a child be punished for cursing/possessing pornography/or generally being disrespectful with language in school?

 

Can a person lose his/her job for the above?

 

I would say they are not protected in those situations nor should they be.

I think we agree but I must ask the following.

 

Can a child be punished for cursing/possessing pornography/or generally being disrespectful with language in school?

 

Can a person lose his/her job for the above?

 

I would say they are not protected in those situations nor should they be.

On the bolded, your employer doesn't have to extend you freedom of speech do they? Constitutional rights don't necessarily apply to your job.

On the bolded, your employer doesn't have to extend you freedom of speech do they? Constitutional rights don't necessarily apply to your job.

 

Plus we can be suspended from BGP for the violation of several speech (in the typed form) related rules.

I part from some of my Republican brethren when I state that I am a free speech supporter all the way down the line. Campaign contributions, yes. Mapplethorpe exhibits, yes. Revolutionary discussion yes. Profanity and obscenity, yes. I do not believe there is so-called "hate speech." And anyonymity has been protected since Poor Richard's Almanac.

 

I'm with this.

 

Though anonymity is a cloudier subject for me. I think campaign contributions should be protected, and thus not limited, but should be transparent.

I'm with you from a legal perspective. From a civility perspective, I believe people should be considerate in the words coming from their mouth. Just because a person may have a right to say something, doesn't mean they should say it.

 

 

This may shock you, but I'm in complete agreement.

 

Here's my perspective: With freedoms come responsibility. Responsibility doesn't begin and end with taking ownership simply with what one communicates, or anything of the sort. Responsibility is in recognizing the consequences of what one says. Not only on one's self, but on others. Responsibility is recognizing that words are as lethal as weapons. There's no such thing as (using an extreme example) "I didn't pull the trigger. I just mentioned that I wished he was dead." It means recognizing that wounding with words is damaging to others. It means recognizing that while the freedom may be a right, it should be treated as a privilege. It means recognizing that some things are better left UNsaid.

 

This is a huge issue for me. HUGE. I loathe the way that Americans abuse this right in particular. So many seem to feel that what is their freedom gives them the right to trample on the freedoms and rights of others. Seriously, this is a hot-button topic for me.

I think we agree but I must ask the following.

 

Can a child be punished for cursing/possessing pornography/or generally being disrespectful with language in school?

 

Can a person lose his/her job for the above?

 

I would say they are not protected in those situations nor should they be.

 

Cursing at a school staff member is against the law under KRS. Same as cursing at a police officer or judge. Called verbal abuse of a teacher. I have brought charges on many students for this.

I think we agree but I must ask the following.

 

Can a child be punished for cursing/possessing pornography/or generally being disrespectful with language in school?

 

Can a person lose his/her job for the above?

 

I would say they are not protected in those situations nor should they be.

 

Should they be? Absolutely not.

 

 

Are they? Unfortunately.

Should they be? Absolutely not.

 

 

Are they? Unfortunately.

 

They are not protected.

 

Go into your employer and curse the owner or a key customer and see if you keep your gig.