We had a democratic controlled congress and a republican president. Looks like both parties had a hand in it. It kills me to see a college professor use their platform to simply espouse their political views.

We had a democratic controlled congress and a republican president. Looks like both parties had a hand in it. It kills me to see a college professor use their platform to simply espouse their political views.

 

That's what pretty much everyone said in class, but he said we didn't want to see the real truth.:idunno:

I would've walked out. The main reason I shy away from PSC classes is because the majority of them are the professors trying to force their own political agendas down everyone's throats. I'm old enough to form my own opinions.

 

If you are not going to "ingest" their opinion, why would you walk out? It seems to me that it takes more courage to stay.

That's what pretty much everyone said in class, but he said we didn't want to see the real truth.:idunno:

 

Now there's intelligent political debate. You're really getting your education dollar's worth.

If you are not going to "ingest" their opinion, why would you walk out? It seems to me that it takes more courage to stay.

 

I have no problem when they open it up for debate. But with my experiences, the professors rarely do that, and state their opinion as fact. They also look down on and treat those who have different views unfairly when it comes to grading.

Sell out. Nod your head in agreement, write a paper in agreement. Make an "A." Convert your 4.0 into a nice management job with Yum! Brands. Rise the corporate ladder. Become President. Tell the University that your corporate sponsorship depends upon them finding a way around his tenure and firing him.

 

May the Force be with you.

I know some will say professors shouldn't express their political preferences but I completely disagree. As long as the prof allows discussion to take place and doesn't silence those he/she disagrees with then who cares what one person's stance is? The important part is the debate. That's what college is for - to get your brain working and to be able to respond intelligently and logically with something other than "oh yeah? You suck."

 

I'm one of those "some". If you are really interested in getting the students' brains working, don't you provide both sides of the argument and allow the students to use their brains to determine how they feel on an issue? Seems to me that such would stimulate more thinking and critical analysis than telling them how and what they should think and believe. Unless of course you really aren't interested in stimulating thinking and critical analysis, but rather are only interested in advocating your own thoughts, values and beliefs. I fully realize that you qualified your position with the professor allowing a meaningful discussion to occur, but really how freely do you think students will talk and discuss issues if they worry about irritating the people that can have a huge effect on whether they get into grad school etc. Grading is so subjective in college that it would be next to impossible to prove that a professor had retaliated against a student for having different political beliefs. A truly smart student keeps his/her mouth shut and moves on. That doesn't stimulate much thoughtful discussion of an issue. Talk about a chilling effect. Yowzer.

I'm one of those "some". If you are really interested in getting the students' brains working, don't you provide both sides of the argument and allow the students to use their brains to determine how they feel on an issue? Seems to me that such would stimulate more thinking and critical analysis than telling them how and what they should think and believe. Unless of course you really aren't interested in stimulating thinking and critical analysis, but rather are only interested in advocating your own thoughts, values and beliefs. I fully realize that you qualified your position with the professor allowing a meaningful discussion to occur, but really how freely do you think students will talk and discuss issues if they worry about irritating the people that can have a huge effect on whether they get into grad school etc. Grading is so subjective in college that it would be next to impossible to prove that a professor had retaliated against a student for having different political beliefs. A truly smart student keeps his/her mouth shut and moves on. That doesn't stimulate much thoughtful discussion of an issue. Talk about a chilling effect. Yowzer.

 

The hard part is when your grade has a certain percentage based off in class participation. I'm in one of those classes now, and while the teacher is definitely a pretty far left-leaner, she does a great job of not allowing her feelings to influence the discussion. It's the only PSC class I've ever actually enjoyed, and is probably the reason she is one of the most highly thought of professors in the department at NKU.

In the last 100 years, the periods in which only one party has had enough of a majority in both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency to be accorded complete blame or credit for the direction of the country have been few and far between. We have that situation right now with the Democrats. It was also true during Lyndon Johnson's term as President, and also when FDR was President.

Sell out. Nod your head in agreement, write a paper in agreement. Make an "A." Convert your 4.0 into a nice management job with Yum! Brands. Rise the corporate ladder. Become President. Tell the University that your corporate sponsorship depends upon them finding a way around his tenure and firing him.

 

May the Force be with you.

 

:ylsuper::ylsuper:

 

sf41, also get your revenge my eavesdropping on conversations of professors that aren't your instructors and tell them how wrong they are. That's what I do when I'm in the gym and I hear them going on and on.

My daughter had a super liberal professor who always tried to force her ideas on the class.. My baby girl just asked her the same simple question.. What liberal policies have ever worked??? She didn't discuss politics much after that...

Now there's intelligent political debate. You're really getting your education dollar's worth.

 

At this point all I care about is the degree. I've found I've likely learned more in the PSC forums on BGP, and the library doing research papers than I actually have in the class room. I keep my ears open but mostly surf the net in class and read the book on my own time.

Sell out. Nod your head in agreement, write a paper in agreement. Make an "A." Convert your 4.0 into a nice management job with Yum! Brands. Rise the corporate ladder. Become President. Tell the University that your corporate sponsorship depends upon them finding a way around his tenure and firing him.

 

May the Force be with you.

 

I've COMPLETELY DONE THIS with this particular professor. Last semester I had him. We had two essays on our final. I knew the material for one of the essays VERY thoroughly and was confident I'd do well on that one but not so much the second. So on the seconds I just stated alot of his values and opinions and just hoped for the best. I got a B+ on the part I actually knew, and an A on the essay that I bull crapped my way through. Go figure.

I'm one of those "some". If you are really interested in getting the students' brains working, don't you provide both sides of the argument and allow the students to use their brains to determine how they feel on an issue? Seems to me that such would stimulate more thinking and critical analysis than telling them how and what they should think and believe. Unless of course you really aren't interested in stimulating thinking and critical analysis, but rather are only interested in advocating your own thoughts, values and beliefs. I fully realize that you qualified your position with the professor allowing a meaningful discussion to occur, but really how freely do you think students will talk and discuss issues if they worry about irritating the people that can have a huge effect on whether they get into grad school etc. Grading is so subjective in college that it would be next to impossible to prove that a professor had retaliated against a student for having different political beliefs. A truly smart student keeps his/her mouth shut and moves on. That doesn't stimulate much thoughtful discussion of an issue. Talk about a chilling effect. Yowzer.

 

 

This is how I feel as well. I've found that I come away with a much greater understanding of issues in class when I'm forced to research and support arguments or reasons for both sides, not just the one which I've grown to support over the years for whatever reason.

In the last 100 years, the periods in which only one party has had enough of a majority in both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency to be accorded complete blame or credit for the direction of the country have been few and far between. We have that situation right now with the Democrats. It was also true during Lyndon Johnson's term as President, and also when FDR was President.

 

That's exactly what we said.