Are we in 3rd grade, do we still need to use the negative buzz words?:confused:

Exactly. Just once I would like to have an extended discussion about issues here without snide comments like Kool-Aid, The Messiah, The One, etc.

 

When I read those things, I just want to say "Forget it" ...

And yet he chose to sit there and let Ortega bash us. So I guess you're saying he a hypocrite. We may be able to agree on that.

Let Ortega bash us all he wants ... it isn't like the guy has a whole lot of credibility in this country.

And yet he chose to sit there and let Ortega bash us. So I guess you're saying he a hypocrite. We may be able to agree on that.

 

I was just pointing out that he has already done what you asked for him to do which was point out all the good we've done in the world. I'm not sure how he could be a hypocrite out of that.

 

All tell do you not think that the USA has done things policy wise in the past that were not shall we say well received by the global community?

There's a HUGE difference between a good but-whoopin' and just letting some little despot bad mouth us. I don't advocate anything outher the the President of the United States at least acknowleging that this country has done quite a bit of good even before he was elected.

 

There is your answer. This is called taking the higher road. I have seen it done many times with people that I admire. I have a hard time doing it personally. Who cares what the "litte despot" says?

This is the one I'd pick. Obama might swing everyone of the Bush supporters too if he'd deliver a good butt whipping to one of these guys bashing the US. It could be a huge boost to his overall popularity. Those already following have immersed themselves in the Kool-Aid, so anything he does is ok.

 

Man, if he did a no-holds barred slug fest one on one against other world leaders I would buy an Obama T-Shirt, underwear, sheets and probably get his name tattooed on my arm. I could get behind that in a heartbeat! :dancingpa

I was just pointing out that he has already done what you asked for him to do which was point out all the good we've done in the world. I'm not sure how he could be a hypocrite out of that.

 

All tell do you not think that the USA has done things policy wise in the past that were not shall we say well received by the global community?

 

I don't really care how the rest of the world views our policies. What I do know is that when something bad happens elsewhere we are the first country that is looked at for assistance and usually we are the first country blamed as well. Obama made his remarks in front of our allies. It's a whole lot easier to blow your own horn to them then to someone like Ortega.

 

The bottom line as far as I'm concerned is that Obama should not have let Ortega's comments go unchallanged.

I don't really care how the rest of the world views our policies. What I do know is that when something bad happens elsewhere we are the first country that is looked at for assistance and usually we are the first country blamed as well. Obama made his remarks in front of our allies. It's a whole lot easier to blow your own horn to them then to someone like Ortega.

 

The bottom line as far as I'm concerned is that Obama should not have let Ortega's comments go unchallanged.

 

Then you have the same arrogant world view that the Bush administration had which failed to work, so I can see why you have such issue with this administrations tactics. The economy is global, you can communicate globally instantly, most military actions these days are multilateral. So why shouldn't we worry about how our policies affect the rest of the world?

I didn't say anything about effect I said view.

Are we in 3rd grade, do we still need to use the negative buzz words?:confused:

 

Exactly. Just once I would like to have an extended discussion about issues here without snide comments like Kool-Aid, The Messiah, The One, etc.

 

When I read those things, I just want to say "Forget it" ...

 

When I read things like a umpteen billion dollar bailout I just want to say "forget it".

Does anyone know the square root of 167?

No, I really want to hear someone defend Obama's actions.

 

What did he accomplish by sitting and listening to Ortega slam us.

 

Well, I was by no means an Obama supporter but I see nothing wrong in his actions.

 

He was at a conference for all western hemisphere nations I believe, and was politicking with everyone. By sitting there listening to Ortega he was showing the world that the US will listen, that we are not that arrogant in believing we are always right and everyone else is wrong, that you have to listen to us, but we won't listen to you.

 

Listen, most everyone in the world knows Ortega is a bit nutty, but walking out on him will only show people you will not listen to anyone else's opinion, but you are the first one to throw yours out there on other nations. In order to work with nations you have to listen to them, no matter how off base they were.

 

I found nothing wrong with the comment Obama said about Ortega, everyone in the crowd laughed, he lighten them up a bit, shows he can sit there and take it even if we don't agree with what is being said. I found his comment clever.

 

But to say he "hates" this country? Come on now I was nowhere near being a Bush supporter, But I wouldn't say he "hates" the US because of his actions, non actions or comments.

I don't really care how the rest of the world views our policies. What I do know is that when something bad happens elsewhere we are the first country that is looked at for assistance and usually we are the first country blamed as well.

 

And that's the problem. We should show the world we will listen, to anyone and everyone, not matter how off base they are. It's also called diplomacy! Again, if people see that this nation does care, which most of us do, and that we listen, they will be more willing to work with us. Just because we listen does not mean we agree with what is being said.

 

As a Priest once told me "sometimes God is like a fire dept, many times you don't think of him until you need him". Yes we do a lot for other nations and poor countries, but you often don't see the good, you see the bad, or what you think is bad and you look to blame someone, it's harder to blame someone, or in this case a nation, when they are willing to listen to even the nuttiest criticism.

And that's the problem. We should show the world we will listen, to anyone and everyone, not matter how off base they are. It's also called diplomacy! Again, if people see that this nation does care, which most of us do, and that we listen, they will be more willing to work with us. Just because we listen does not mean we agree with what is being said.

 

As a Priest once told me "sometimes God is like a fire dept, many times you don't think of him until you need him". Yes we do a lot for other nations and poor countries, but you often don't see the good, you see the bad, or what you think is bad and you look to blame someone, it's harder to blame someone, or in this case a nation, when they are willing to listen to even the nuttiest criticism.

 

Well, I was by no means an Obama supporter but I see nothing wrong in his actions.

 

He was at a conference for all western hemisphere nations I believe, and was politicking with everyone. By sitting there listening to Ortega he was showing the world that the US will listen, that we are not that arrogant in believing we are always right and everyone else is wrong, that you have to listen to us, but we won't listen to you.

 

Listen, most everyone in the world knows Ortega is a bit nutty, but walking out on him will only show people you will not listen to anyone else's opinion, but you are the first one to throw yours out there on other nations. In order to work with nations you have to listen to them, no matter how off base they were.

 

I found nothing wrong with the comment Obama said about Ortega, everyone in the crowd laughed, he lighten them up a bit, shows he can sit there and take it even if we don't agree with what is being said. I found his comment clever.

 

But to say he "hates" this country? Come on now I was nowhere near being a Bush supporter, But I wouldn't say he "hates" the US because of his actions, non actions or comments.

 

Excellent points. Coming from someone that is not an Obama supporter means gives added credit. The "it's my way or the highway" mantra has not worked with those that we disagree with. Regardless of what anyone wants to believe, we are not alone in this world.

Does anyone know the square root of 167?

12.923

Bush was very stern and tough and set in his ways. After 9-11 I thought he did a great job beefing up security and keeping our nation safe, but he made a lot of mistakes and alienated a lot of countries. At the same time we don't need to go to them now like Obama is doing with his tail between his legs, figuratively speaking and apologize for being a bad country. I just think there is a happy medium somewhere in between what Bush did and what Obama is doing that would be most beneficial.