Which is fine with me because you should be able to eat your food just the way you like it without interference. I only wish everyone would offer the same courtesy.

 

Nothing ruins a meal for me quicker than someone at the table taking it upon themselves to try and "educate" everyone who likes something different than their way. It can be a real pain in the butt to have to sit and listen to that when all you want is a pleasant meal.

 

Hear Hear!

Which is fine with me because you should be able to eat your food just the way you like it without interference. I only wish everyone would offer the same courtesy.

 

Nothing ruins a meal for me quicker than someone at the table taking it upon themselves to try and "educate" everyone who likes something different than their way. It can be a real pain in the butt to have to sit and listen to that when all you want is a pleasant meal.

 

They wouldn't do it if they didn't think you were really, really missing out on something great. It's all about sharing.

They wouldn't do it if they didn't think you were really, really missing out on something great. It's all about sharing.

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They wouldn't do it if they didn't think you were really, really missing out on something great. It's all about sharing.

I think it is rude. I more a member of the live and let live group.

 

For the record, I usually order medium steak, but I have friends and family who like well done. I think it is obnoxious to try and tell someone what they should like. I'm not talking about a simple suggestion or comment either, these people go way beyond that as a rule.

 

The "healthy eaters" crowd is just as bad, feeling like they have to tell you how much fat or cholesterol is in your meal.

 

And don't even get me started on music snobs and coffee snobs. :lol:

I think it is rude. I more a member of the live and let live group.

For the record, I usually order medium steak, but I have friends and family who like well done. I think it is obnoxious to try and tell someone what they should like. I'm not talking about a simple suggestion or comment either, these people go way beyond that as a rule.

 

The "healthy eaters" crowd is just as bad, feeling like they have to tell you how much fat or cholesterol is in your meal.

 

And don't even get me started on music snobs and coffee snobs. :lol:

 

How is this any different than 90% of the threads here on BGP? This place is full of people telling us all what to think, how to act and what to say.....

How is this any different than 90% of the threads here on BGP? This place is full of people telling us all what to think, how to act and what to say.....

This is a discussion board, it is created and ran as a place where people come to discuss topics and express opinions.

 

When I sit down to eat a meal, my objective is to enjoy my meal. My meal is not a topic of discussion and I don't want to be told what I am doing wrong.

I want to take up this 'steak snob' issue that has permeated the last page and one half. In doing so, I am neither attempting to be combative or applying label, but am merely advocating a position as part of this thread discussion.

 

In everything we do, we judge acceptable and unacceptable methods of behavior. In our dress, wearing a pair of overalls and stee-toed boots to court would be considered unacceptable, because the court is supposed to be an institution of respect and a coat and die has come to represent the dress of respect. Conversely, wearing a coat and tie to work in a coal mine would be looked upon as unacceptable, primarily because it inhibits ones ability to do the job, but also because anyone who would destroy expensive coats and ties with coal dust borders on lunacy.

 

Now, you could say, "what I wear is up to my personal comfort choice, what should it matter to you what I choose to wear?" Of course, the polite, and politically correct answer is to say, "I like you just as you are." But that would be a lie. If you were a lawyer and routinely wore bib overalls, I would suspect a lack of respect for the institution of the courthouse and the profession, or at least the lack of foresight to think about the same, and I'm probably not going to actively seek your company. Does that make me a 'clothes snob?' Of course not, it merely reflects a lack of common thinking about an accepted method of behavior.

 

One can envision a myriad of topics in which this comes into play. I submit to the gentle readers here that the topic of gastronomy is absolutely no different.

 

To some, food and drink is merely a means to an end. Food and drink provide nutrient and sustenance to the human body, and those individuals seek only to obtain it, consume it, and reap the natural benefits it provides. If there is an enjoyment of taste and flavor, it is merely a corollary to the primary goal, which is consumption.

 

However, (and this is where the 'snob' label surfaces), to many others, food and drink rises to the level of aristology, where the art and science of cooking and dining, the enjoyment of the background and preparation of the food and drink, and often the fellowship of the meal, is the primary objective and the sustenance and consumption is merely corrolary. God created Man in dominion over the animals. Animals eat to sustain. God gave Man the ability to grow and create and even taste (ever curious why humans have substantially more taste buds than animals), and for me, the ability to grow, create, and enjoy good food and drink is one of the things in life that gives some measure of color and enjoyment to our lives and separates us from an oftentimes cold, drab, and grey world.

 

Now, that is about as 'snobbish' as one can get. I make no apologies. I think about these things, as often as time permits, when I eat and drink. I enjoy sampling good wines, not because of its alcoholic content, but because God created the grape, which has been discovered, planted, hybridized, grown, harvested, fermented, and contained and consumed by every great civilization in the history of the world, and the science of wine and its pairing with certain foods in my opinion is one of the great pleasures of life bestowed upon us by the Almighty. I enjoy, for instance, blue grouse, but believe it is best when it is found just in late spring when it has stuffed itself on mountain huckleberries, when you can taste the berries enhancing the meat and celebrate (with the deceased grouse) the passing of another spring and the opening of the mountains.

 

Which brings me to the steak. Truly American. Truly reflective of the great, wide open ranches of our country. A great steak, simply grilled over open fire, can almost reveal the hearty, grain or corn-fed character of the ranch and cattle in its marbling and texture. You need the marbling and fat to taste that. If you overcook a steak, you lose the marbling, disintegrate the texture, and absorb the flavor in the juice. It really is that simple. I would not know the point of eating a steak in such a fashion other than to fill yourself up. The steak sauce discussion was fine - there is nothing really wrong with steak sauce in my opinion, but why cover up all of that marvelous melted fat and juice?

 

Advocating a right way and wrong way of cooking was not meant to offend. Like a Christian who is going to tell you about Christ, though, a person who is committed to good food and cooking is going to tell you about it because he wants your fellowship and believes you might be missing something special.

 

I am sorry to have offended. I am a snob. Food is not mere provender to me.

Again, you deserve the right to enjoy your food exactly the way you want it, Hearsay. What I have a problem with is that the steak snobbers won't return the favor.

 

I can handle a discussion about it. I can handle a suggestion or a few questions about it. It should stop right there but it never does. The steak snobbers actually judge others and look down upon them for choosing to eat their steak another way. They tend to regard them as less intelligent and that is sad. I have seen it many times.

 

Steak snobbery compared to Christian testimony, that made me laugh. You can't be serious. :lol:

I want to take up this 'steak snob' issue that has permeated the last page and one half. In doing so, I am neither attempting to be combative or applying label, but am merely advocating a position as part of this thread discussion.

 

In everything we do, we judge acceptable and unacceptable methods of behavior. In our dress, wearing a pair of overalls and stee-toed boots to court would be considered unacceptable, because the court is supposed to be an institution of respect and a coat and die has come to represent the dress of respect. Conversely, wearing a coat and tie to work in a coal mine would be looked upon as unacceptable, primarily because it inhibits ones ability to do the job, but also because anyone who would destroy expensive coats and ties with coal dust borders on lunacy.

 

Now, you could say, "what I wear is up to my personal comfort choice, what should it matter to you what I choose to wear?" Of course, the polite, and politically correct answer is to say, "I like you just as you are." But that would be a lie. If you were a lawyer and routinely wore bib overalls, I would suspect a lack of respect for the institution of the courthouse and the profession, or at least the lack of foresight to think about the same, and I'm probably not going to actively seek your company. Does that make me a 'clothes snob?' Of course not, it merely reflects a lack of common thinking about an accepted method of behavior.

 

One can envision a myriad of topics in which this comes into play. I submit to the gentle readers here that the topic of gastronomy is absolutely no different.

 

To some, food and drink is merely a means to an end. Food and drink provide nutrient and sustenance to the human body, and those individuals seek only to obtain it, consume it, and reap the natural benefits it provides. If there is an enjoyment of taste and flavor, it is merely a corollary to the primary goal, which is consumption.

 

However, (and this is where the 'snob' label surfaces), to many others, food and drink rises to the level of aristology, where the art and science of cooking and dining, the enjoyment of the background and preparation of the food and drink, and often the fellowship of the meal, is the primary objective and the sustenance and consumption is merely corrolary. God created Man in dominion over the animals. Animals eat to sustain. God gave Man the ability to grow and create and even taste (ever curious why humans have substantially more taste buds than animals), and for me, the ability to grow, create, and enjoy good food and drink is one of the things in life that gives some measure of color and enjoyment to our lives and separates us from an oftentimes cold, drab, and grey world.

 

Now, that is about as 'snobbish' as one can get. I make no apologies. I think about these things, as often as time permits, when I eat and drink. I enjoy sampling good wines, not because of its alcoholic content, but because God created the grape, which has been discovered, planted, hybridized, grown, harvested, fermented, and contained and consumed by every great civilization in the history of the world, and the science of wine and its pairing with certain foods in my opinion is one of the great pleasures of life bestowed upon us by the Almighty. I enjoy, for instance, blue grouse, but believe it is best when it is found just in late spring when it has stuffed itself on mountain huckleberries, when you can taste the berries enhancing the meat and celebrate (with the deceased grouse) the passing of another spring and the opening of the mountains.

 

Which brings me to the steak. Truly American. Truly reflective of the great, wide open ranches of our country. A great steak, simply grilled over open fire, can almost reveal the hearty, grain or corn-fed character of the ranch and cattle in its marbling and texture. You need the marbling and fat to taste that. If you overcook a steak, you lose the marbling, disintegrate the texture, and absorb the flavor in the juice. It really is that simple. I would not know the point of eating a steak in such a fashion other than to fill yourself up. The steak sauce discussion was fine - there is nothing really wrong with steak sauce in my opinion, but why cover up all of that marvelous melted fat and juice?

 

Advocating a right way and wrong way of cooking was not meant to offend. Like a Christian who is going to tell you about Christ, though, a person who is committed to good food and cooking is going to tell you about it because he wants your fellowship and believes you might be missing something special.

 

I am sorry to have offended. I am a snob. Food is not mere provender to me.

Excellent post!

Different strokes for different folks. At least Hearsay comes clean and admits that he's a food snob. Where I tend to disagree with him is with the "a right way and a wrong way of cooking". Seems to me that's up to the person doing the eating.

 

God made brussel sprouts and rhubarb, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna eat them.

Again, you deserve the right to enjoy your food exactly the way you want it, Hearsay. What I have a problem with is that the steak snobbers won't return the favor.

 

I can handle a discussion about it. I can handle a suggestion or a few questions about it. It should stop right there but it never does. The steak snobbers actually judge others and look down upon them for choosing to eat their steak another way. They tend to regard them as less intelligent and that is sad. I have seen it many times.

 

Steak snobbery compared to Christian testimony, that made me laugh. You can't be serious. :lol:

 

I suppose I can agree with this. There are always points where something goes too far. I would still argue that those who refuse to try it the way "steak snobs" recommend are cheating themselves out of the better flavor, and at the very least, they should try it both ways at least once to make up their mind.

Different strokes for different folks. At least Hearsay comes clean and admits that he's a food snob. Where I tend to disagree with him is with the "a right way and a wrong way of cooking". Seems to me that's up to the person doing the eating.

 

God made brussel sprouts and rhubarb, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna eat them.

Obviously that is the case, and I think we all feel that way. If you want to dip your steak in toilet water, sop it with mayo, and cook it over a car engine for 3 hours, and you enjoy that, more power to you.

 

A lot of steak connoisseurs enjoy the natural flavors of the meat and do not like eliminating that flavor because we feel that flavor is awesome, just like others believe A1 on steak is awesome. Trust me, I am not one to judge anyone about what they eat. Do I think it is a bit odd when one wants to cook out all of the flavor of a steak??? Sure I do, but I could really care less.

 

For every well prepared steak I eat, I have a myriad of oddities with other food I would not care to even discuss on BGP

 

When I worked at a restaurant way back in the day, we served prime rib, a truly glorious piece of meat. When people would send it back saying they wanted it more well done, we would bring it up to temperature some by laying a piece of leaf lettuce on the flat-top grill. If they would still send it back, saying things like "it's still mooing," it became obvious they had been treated to a bad piece of meat somewhere down the line, and didn't appreciate what they were getting. Since they wouldn't know the difference anyway, we would drop the PR in the deep fryer or put it in the microwave.

 

I'm a steak snob, I readily admit. That doesn't change the fact that I think it's inherently wrong to "ruin" a piece of meat by overcooking it.

I want to take up this 'steak snob' issue that has permeated the last page and one half. In doing so, I am neither attempting to be combative or applying label, but am merely advocating a position as part of this thread discussion.

 

In everything we do, we judge acceptable and unacceptable methods of behavior. In our dress, wearing a pair of overalls and stee-toed boots to court would be considered unacceptable, because the court is supposed to be an institution of respect and a coat and die has come to represent the dress of respect. Conversely, wearing a coat and tie to work in a coal mine would be looked upon as unacceptable, primarily because it inhibits ones ability to do the job, but also because anyone who would destroy expensive coats and ties with coal dust borders on lunacy.

 

Now, you could say, "what I wear is up to my personal comfort choice, what should it matter to you what I choose to wear?" Of course, the polite, and politically correct answer is to say, "I like you just as you are." But that would be a lie. If you were a lawyer and routinely wore bib overalls, I would suspect a lack of respect for the institution of the courthouse and the profession, or at least the lack of foresight to think about the same, and I'm probably not going to actively seek your company. Does that make me a 'clothes snob?' Of course not, it merely reflects a lack of common thinking about an accepted method of behavior.

 

One can envision a myriad of topics in which this comes into play. I submit to the gentle readers here that the topic of gastronomy is absolutely no different.

 

To some, food and drink is merely a means to an end. Food and drink provide nutrient and sustenance to the human body, and those individuals seek only to obtain it, consume it, and reap the natural benefits it provides. If there is an enjoyment of taste and flavor, it is merely a corollary to the primary goal, which is consumption.

 

However, (and this is where the 'snob' label surfaces), to many others, food and drink rises to the level of aristology, where the art and science of cooking and dining, the enjoyment of the background and preparation of the food and drink, and often the fellowship of the meal, is the primary objective and the sustenance and consumption is merely corrolary. God created Man in dominion over the animals. Animals eat to sustain. God gave Man the ability to grow and create and even taste (ever curious why humans have substantially more taste buds than animals), and for me, the ability to grow, create, and enjoy good food and drink is one of the things in life that gives some measure of color and enjoyment to our lives and separates us from an oftentimes cold, drab, and grey world.

 

Now, that is about as 'snobbish' as one can get. I make no apologies. I think about these things, as often as time permits, when I eat and drink. I enjoy sampling good wines, not because of its alcoholic content, but because God created the grape, which has been discovered, planted, hybridized, grown, harvested, fermented, and contained and consumed by every great civilization in the history of the world, and the science of wine and its pairing with certain foods in my opinion is one of the great pleasures of life bestowed upon us by the Almighty. I enjoy, for instance, blue grouse, but believe it is best when it is found just in late spring when it has stuffed itself on mountain huckleberries, when you can taste the berries enhancing the meat and celebrate (with the deceased grouse) the passing of another spring and the opening of the mountains.

 

Which brings me to the steak. Truly American. Truly reflective of the great, wide open ranches of our country. A great steak, simply grilled over open fire, can almost reveal the hearty, grain or corn-fed character of the ranch and cattle in its marbling and texture. You need the marbling and fat to taste that. If you overcook a steak, you lose the marbling, disintegrate the texture, and absorb the flavor in the juice. It really is that simple. I would not know the point of eating a steak in such a fashion other than to fill yourself up. The steak sauce discussion was fine - there is nothing really wrong with steak sauce in my opinion, but why cover up all of that marvelous melted fat and juice?

 

Advocating a right way and wrong way of cooking was not meant to offend. Like a Christian who is going to tell you about Christ, though, a person who is committed to good food and cooking is going to tell you about it because he wants your fellowship and believes you might be missing something special.

 

I am sorry to have offended. I am a snob. Food is not mere provender to me.

 

Well put, counselor. You runnin' the grill any time soon?

Again, you deserve the right to enjoy your food exactly the way you want it, Hearsay. What I have a problem with is that the steak snobbers won't return the favor.

 

I can handle a discussion about it. I can handle a suggestion or a few questions about it. It should stop right there but it never does. The steak snobbers actually judge others and look down upon them for choosing to eat their steak another way. They tend to regard them as less intelligent and that is sad. I have seen it many times.

 

Steak snobbery compared to Christian testimony, that made me laugh. You can't be serious. :lol:

 

I wasn't, but how else was one to get a rise out of gentle reader?:lol: