We live in a "hollow" and we just ate our last gallon of corn that I put up and we are down to our last two gallons of green beans. Our garden gets plenty of morning sun because in the evening the mountain blocks the sun. We raise a garden because it just taste better and better for us than what you can buy in a store. There's a difference from being poor (not alot of money) and being "sorry". It takes a great effort to raise a garden. These people have limited income and make poor decisions. These are the same type of people that are lined up to buy lottery tickets and would LOVE to have one of the governor's gambling casinos, that he's so anxious to have, built in their community. I know people that play the lottery who work hard and play for fun. These 20/20 individuals are looking for an easy way to get money with as little effort as possible. It's just plain and simple ignorance! Getting these kids to see that how they live is not "normal" and that there is hope for them is the only way the cycle will ever end.

 

Lots of good points in your post...the bolded ones in particular! :thumb:

 

We mainly grew our crops up on the hill, due to it being further from the creek that had a tendency to flood during storms.

In one segment, about the little girls who run out of food each month, it was said that the mother received over $500 a month in food stamps. I don't want to be judgemental here, but shouldn't this last a family of three a month? Perhaps I have no perception of what it is like to feed children (as I don't have any) so please fill me in.

 

:thumb: I would think the same thing.

:thumb: I would think the same thing.

 

Thanks, OR. :thumb:

You're not getting it. They are choosing to not work at all.

 

I completely get it and understand EKy's drug issues all too well. "Because they're lazy" is not the only reason people opt out of conventional society and turn to drugs.

While I would like for drug tests to be used in the distribution of welfare, disability, food stamps, etc. because it is definatley not fair for addicts to be sitting back and drawing checks, however, this would not solve any problems it would merely create another one because those people would not stop using drugs to receive $400 a month, therefore, they would starve, die as well as their families and we would be far worse off letting that happpen, IMO. There has to be solution to this dilemma but I cann't think of one. I honestly don't know how some people I see everyday in the court system make it ontheir $400-$500 disability a check a month caring for 2-3 people. It is just really sad and this is the norm in my area, there are more people paying fines in court that relies on their income tax or gov. checks and have no additional income, very sad situation for all of us because another and better option cannot be thought of/used.

I completely get it and understand EKy's drug issues all too well. "Because they're lazy" is not the only reason people opt out of conventional society and turn to drugs.

 

Sorry, I just have a problem with a depiction of despair and agony, with no solution in sight, when there are good paying jobs that can't be filled, because no one can pass a drug test.

Part of the problem in fighting EKy's drug problem is the lack of political will by city and county governments in the region to spend money on rehabilitation and education rather than just keep locking people up. I heard once that something like one dollar spent on rehab efforts is more effective than $4-5 spent on police/courts/jails fighting it. The churches can only do so much with a problem this widespread.

Part of the problem in fighting EKy's drug problem is the lack of political will by city and county governments in the region to spend money on rehabilitation and education rather than just keep locking people up. I heard once that something like one dollar spent on rehab efforts is more effective than $4-5 spent on police/courts/jails fighting it. The churches can only do so much with a problem this widespread.

 

Rehab only works if the addict wants it to. Court ordered rehab rarely works. There will be a few go thru that see the light, but most just go thru the motions to skirt around being locked up. If after a few failed attempts at rehab, if someone still chooses the drug lifestyle, they should be locked up for the rest of their lives. Get them off the street and out of society. Harsher penalties are the only way to show future drug abusers that we mean business.

Rehab only works if the addict wants it to. Court ordered rehab rarely works. There will be a few go thru that see the light, but most just go thru the motions to skirt around being locked up. If after a few failed attempts at rehab, if someone still chooses the drug lifestyle, they should be locked up for the rest of their lives. Get them off the street and out of society. Harsher penalties are the only way to show future drug abusers that we mean business.

 

If you were running the show, half the country would be locked up in under a decade.

If you were running the show, half the country would be locked up in under a decade.

 

That's fine with me. Then we wouldn't have to worry about having some pill head trying to steal everything you work for just to supply their habit. It would lessen the chance of driving down the road and getting killed by an impaired driver, or someone with no insurance because they buy pills rather than car insurance. I could go on and on about all the positives that would result from locking up habitual offenders.

That's fine with me. Then we wouldn't have to worry about having some pill head trying to steal everything you work for just to supply their habit. It would lessen the chance of driving down the road and getting killed by an impaired driver, or someone with no insurance because they buy pills rather than car insurance. I could go on and on about all the positives that would result from locking up habitual offenders.

 

You must love to pay taxes, then.

You must love to pay taxes, then.

 

I don't mind to pay my fair share. On the flip side, reduce the amount of theft retailers figure in to their profits, consumer prices go down. More prisons mean more jobs. That fixes the unemployment issue in the areas that have the biggest drug problems. In a nutshell, either be a part of the solution or a part of the problem. You decide.

You must love to pay taxes, then.

 

We are paying for the majority of them to live the lifestyle that they choose to anyhow (Welfare, Disability, SSI). At least if they were locked up then their kids might have a fighting chance for a decent life. I think he is talking about the habitual offenders.

How did they become aware of Grimm's living lifestyle? ABC had to have heard about through some source and I'm just curious why that same source didn't get a kid off the street and into a home.

I hate to put a damper on the things you seen from Grimm's segments but after asking around I found out what really was going on during ABC's stay in EKY. For most of the time they were here he was living with a friend and he also had plently of chances to be with good people. His coach Jim Matney tried numerous times to bring him into his house but the kid was too wild. By "wild" Im not sure what my source ment but thats what he said.

Edited February 16, 200917 yr by D IT UP