I can't find the original thread but here's the latest on a junior running back from Mississippi who was pulled over for a traffic violation and who ended up dead. The police claim that he pulled a shotgun out of the back of his truck and shot himself. Family members disagree and have a lot of questions.

 

Sad story.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AlgzbbCk6pILuNYH_VKxkYc5nYcB?slug=ys-johnson020509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Truly a sad story, and defintley something fishy going on. I hope one day that justice is brought and whoever involved gets what they deserved. I would hate to have this on my mind and chest, it would eat at me for the rest of my life. I believe in karma and that it defintley comes back to get you.

Why is it fishy 31?

 

The deceased either committed or attempted to commit a felony burglary and he also probably committed another felony by not stopping immediately, the officer stops him and the deceased is thinking I just committed a felony(s) and I am in big trouble and then the deceased does something he can't take back.

 

Do you really think this officer found someone running a red light and then he decided to kill him and claim it was suicide? Add to that, the person the officer picked out to kill just happened to be a fleeing felon?

 

It is a very sad case but at first look I don't see anything at all that looks fishy.

Neither do I. How many people knew someone was going to commit suicide before they did it. There were a couple of kids my age that killed themselves in high school and the one thing I remember about it is everyone always said they couldn't believe it and never saw it coming.

Why were so many police procedures blatantly ignored??

Why were so many police procedures blatantly ignored??

 

Like what?

Like what?

 

1) Kid flees for 1.5 miles but the officer doesn't call for backup....

2) Kid fled for 1.5 miles and the officer allows him to get out of the car and walk towards the officer.

3) Window was broken out instead of preserved by police therefore trashing a piece of evidence.

4) Police returned the truck one day later to the family even though it is still evidence and a crime scene.

1) Kid flees for 1.5 miles but the officer doesn't call for backup....

2) Kid fled for 1.5 miles and the officer allows him to get out of the car and walk towards the officer.

3) Window was broken out instead of preserved by police therefore trashing a piece of evidence.

4) Police returned the truck one day later to the family even though it is still evidence and a crime scene.

 

1) If the kid was fleeing, I'd say he was likely speeding, is that a fair assumption? If so, and he "fled" for 1.5 miles then the "chase" lasted just under 2 minutes probably.

 

2) If the kid was fleeing for a whole 1.5 miles and then exited his vehicle as soon as he stopped, was the officer supposed to tackle him immediately? Somehow knowing that the kids would not take off again? Perhaps he should've tazed him; that's definitely been a law suit.

 

3) How was the window and important piece of evidence? What's it's role?

 

4) Once the evidence has been collected and processed they have no reason to keep the vehicle impounded, especially if the case is pretty clear.

 

You've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies. The cops has but a few seconds to process the situation and respond to it. He did so the way he felt necessary. The young man took his own life, why drag the cops name through the mud because of someone else's actions.

Being from the area and returning quite frequently, based on some of the facts of the story regarding his girlfriend, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if there was some foul play. I assure you it's a completely different world in that state and it lags behind the rest of the country in many areas...

1) If the kid was fleeing, I'd say he was likely speeding, is that a fair assumption? If so, and he "fled" for 1.5 miles then the "chase" lasted just under 2 minutes probably.

 

2) If the kid was fleeing for a whole 1.5 miles and then exited his vehicle as soon as he stopped, was the officer supposed to tackle him immediately? Somehow knowing that the kids would not take off again? Perhaps he should've tazed him; that's definitely been a law suit.

 

3) How was the window and important piece of evidence? What's it's role?

 

4) Once the evidence has been collected and processed they have no reason to keep the vehicle impounded, especially if the case is pretty clear.

 

You've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies. The cops has but a few seconds to process the situation and respond to it. He did so the way he felt necessary. The young man took his own life, why drag the cops name through the mud because of someone else's actions.

 

 

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If the chase was at 90 MPH it would have lasted 1.5 minutes. He had to have time to get to a high speed so I'd say it lasted around 1:40-1:50.

 

Still a sad story.

1) If the kid was fleeing, I'd say he was likely speeding, is that a fair assumption? If so, and he "fled" for 1.5 miles then the "chase" lasted just under 2 minutes probably.

 

2) If the kid was fleeing for a whole 1.5 miles and then exited his vehicle as soon as he stopped, was the officer supposed to tackle him immediately? Somehow knowing that the kids would not take off again? Perhaps he should've tazed him; that's definitely been a law suit.

 

3) How was the window and important piece of evidence? What's it's role?

 

4) Once the evidence has been collected and processed they have no reason to keep the vehicle impounded, especially if the case is pretty clear.

 

You've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies. The cops has but a few seconds to process the situation and respond to it. He did so the way he felt necessary. The young man took his own life, why drag the cops name through the mud because of someone else's actions.

 

1) A radio call takes 10 seconds.

 

2) Police procedure is to pull your weapon and tell the driver to remain in the vehicle.

 

3) The bullet passed through the window. By examining the glass you can tell from which direction the bullet came from and the angle.

 

4) Most vehicle crime scenes do not get processed in a day. The investigative markings were still in the car...

 

And no I don't watch conspiracy theory movies. I just happen to be a Criminal Justice major who has learned about how to process a crime scene. Also I've been on ride alongs with Cincinnati Police where a radio call had to be placed and it was done so within seconds.

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If the chase was at 90 MPH it would have lasted 1.5 minutes. He had to have time to get to a high speed so I'd say it lasted around 1:40-1:50.

 

Still a sad story.

 

More than enough time to place a call for assistance..

1) A radio call takes 10 seconds.

 

2) Police procedure is to pull your weapon and tell the driver to remain in the vehicle.

 

3) The bullet passed through the window. By examining the glass you can tell from which direction the bullet came from and the angle.

 

4) Most vehicle crime scenes do not get processed in a day. The investigative markings were still in the car...

 

And no I don't watch conspiracy theory movies. I just happen to be a Criminal Justice major who has learned about how to process a crime scene. Also I've been on ride alongs with Cincinnati Police where a radio call had to be placed and it was done so within seconds.

 

I completely agree with everything you've said also being a criminal Justice major

1) A radio call takes 10 seconds.

 

2) Police procedure is to pull your weapon and tell the driver to remain in the vehicle.

 

3) The bullet passed through the window. By examining the glass you can tell from which direction the bullet came from and the angle.

 

4) Most vehicle crime scenes do not get processed in a day. The investigative markings were still in the car...

 

And no I don't watch conspiracy theory movies. I just happen to be a Criminal Justice major who has learned about how to process a crime scene. Also I've been on ride alongs with Cincinnati Police where a radio call had to be placed and it was done so within seconds.

 

 

1. I agree it was a bad error in judgment not to call he was in pursuit. However, we don't know how well officers in this town are trained.

 

2. I disagree. It is a fluid situation. Trust me, there is no one way to handle situations when a perp exits a vehicle after a pursuit. I have been in several pursuits and I don't know that any two have ever ended with the same perp actions.

 

3. Maybe. You also have to consider the possible close proximity to the glass.

 

4. I agree it normally takes longer to process a scene. Giving the car back makes no sense and certainly isn't something you would do if there was some type of foul play because it could be incriminating. This fact tells me they probably don't know what they are doing and were too stupid to ask for help.

 

The author of the article did an excellent job pointing out what I believe explains a lot of the abnormalities and that is the officer probably knew the deceased (and his vehicle) on sight so he abandoned several normal police procedures because he didn't feel threatened.

 

One other thing, they have a retired Chief (and now an expert consultant) telling you what should have been done. I am sure the Chief knows his stuff inside and out and is going to have the correct answer for everything. However, comparing his knowledge of police procedure to many small town coppers could be like some NFL coordinators telling a youth football coach what he is doing wrong. The only point I am trying to get across is that many small town law enforcement agencies leave a lot to be desired. It doesn't however mean they are out committing criminal acts.

I would hate to have this on my mind and chest, it would eat at me for the rest of my life. I believe in karma and that it defintley comes back to get you.

 

Who knows whether there was foul play or not involved with this story. But you have one thing correct for sure, but I look at it in a different way. If I was the police officer who witnessed this, it would definitely be hard to get this off my mind.