This is a sad story. Anytime a 20 year old loses their life period it is sad. And I feel for Dr. Dre. I can't imagine losing my son [if I had one] to drugs or anything at such a young age. The whole no parent wants to bury their child comes into play no matter what age.

 

That being said, when you use drugs you typically know the risks and consequences. And at 20, I'm sure he did and he chose to continue abusing them anyway. It's a sad story, but one that could have been prevented not only by himself, but the people who dealt him the drugs in the first place [who essentially aided in the death of a young man]. I don't think we can just lock up and throw away the key with drug dealers. I think it is obvious when someone has had too many chances. If you are paroled for an offense and committ the same offense again, you're done. The only place I feel differently is with child molestors/rapists, and murderers. They had their shot and they shouldn't get another one. Those are dispicable and disgusting crimes. Not to say drugs aren't, but any crime committed upon a child is higher up on my list of the unforgivable things.

I got a woman to agree with me, clearly I'm on to something.:lol:

 

:lol: That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

Building more prisons for these criminals would be great for the economy. Heck, more than likely we are already supporting these dead beats because they don't have jobs anyway. Keep them in there for good like oldrambler stated. We can keep building prisons. That would create jobs for the labor workers, and then create more jobs for prison guards and staff. Sooner or later the crime will stop because everyone is already locked up, or people will learn that the government means business, and will quit breaking the law.

This is a sad story. Anytime a 20 year old loses their life period it is sad. And I feel for Dr. Dre. I can't imagine losing my son [if I had one] to drugs or anything at such a young age. The whole no parent wants to bury their child comes into play no matter what age.

 

That being said, when you use drugs you typically know the risks and consequences. And at 20, I'm sure he did and he chose to continue abusing them anyway. It's a sad story, but one that could have been prevented not only by himself, but the people who dealt him the drugs in the first place [who essentially aided in the death of a young man]. I don't think we can just lock up and throw away the key with drug dealers. I think it is obvious when someone has had too many chances. If you are paroled for an offense and committ the same offense again, you're done. The only place I feel differently is with child molestors/rapists, and murderers. They had their shot and they shouldn't get another one. Those are dispicable and disgusting crimes. Not to say drugs aren't, but any crime committed upon a child is higher up on my list of the unforgivable things.

 

Good post :thumb:. My statements may have seemed way too strong to many people, I understand that. I was mainly targeting the dealers on the life in prison, no chance of parol. I think that drug laws and sentences are far to easy for all...dealers down to users and if stronger and enforced a very strong message / wake up calls could be sent, especially to the delers and the long time/repeat offenders.

The Drug kingpins/dealers are murderer's........ no other way to say it imo. They should definately get life in prison, no parol, no rehab, no probation....life in prison never to see the light of day again.

As in my post above, I certainly agree on crimes commited against children, molestation, abuse of any type and I have NO concern or sympathy for them.

Building more prisons for these criminals would be great for the economy. Heck, more than likely we are already supporting these dead beats because they don't have jobs anyway. Keep them in there for good like oldrambler stated. We can keep building prisons. That would create jobs for the labor workers, and then create more jobs for prison guards and staff. Sooner or later the crime will stop because everyone is already locked up, or people will learn that the government means business, and will quit breaking the law.

 

We already have some of the harshest drug laws in the world. We still have a large drug problem in the U.S. so IMO it's obvious that simply locking them up isn't working. With that said, you suggest we just continue with more of the same?

 

And how exactly can we afford to keep building prisons? Raise taxes?

Then make room imo.

Reason being, I believe that if you would start doing that then that may just send out a strong message to these thugs and wannabe thugs that they will be going down to the big house to meet "Big Bubba:sssh:" and not coming back out. Then imo you would see a rapid decline when they realize that the law/courts are getting serious and mean what they say. JMO.

 

Sending people to prison doesn't necessarily work as a deterrent. Neither does the death penalty...

 

Locking them up would prevent them from physically committing more crimes while they are locked up, but studies have shown that prisons do not work in regards to a deterrent.

 

Here's a good read on it.

 

LINK

Call me cold hearted but I can not feel sorrow for anyone stupid enough to take drugs and then die from it.

Sending people to prison doesn't necessarily work as a deterrent. Neither does the death penalty...

 

Locking them up would prevent them from physically committing more crimes while they are locked up, but studies have shown that prisons do not work in regards to a deterrent.

 

Here's a good read on it.

 

LINK

 

 

Prisons do not work as a deterrent, nor do they work as rehabilitation, so I believe we have gotten to the point where incapacitation is the method prisons work by. My opinion anyways. I don't know how many of my professors agreed, but I believe most did. Unfortunately the recidivism rate for paroled offenders offers too much evidence that leads us to conclude that we can not stop nor rehab those who commit crime.

 

So if that is the case, the only way to truly eliminate crime would be to lock them up and throw away the key. Problem is, we take more money to build prisons, we take more money away from education. Not a good thing. So we are kind of at a loss..

Prisons do not work as a deterrent, nor do they work as rehabilitation, so I believe we have gotten to the point where incapacitation is the method prisons work by. My opinion anyways. I don't know how many of my professors agreed, but I believe most did. Unfortunately the recidivism rate for paroled offenders offers too much evidence that leads us to conclude that we can not stop nor rehab those who commit crime.

 

So if that is the case, the only way to truly eliminate crime would be to lock them up and throw away the key. Problem is, we take more money to build prisons, we take more money away from education. Not a good thing. So we are kind of at a loss..

 

Certain methods of rehabilitation don't work, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all methods of rehabilitation do not work.

 

Also, locking all drug offenders up and throwing away the key does not seem like the answer to me. The United States already leads most other countries (by far) in total number of prisoners. This article states that, "The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners".

 

Therefore, we already have a high incarceration rate, and it isn't working. Not so sure that locking up as many as possible for as long as possible is the answer.

 

Another article states that, "Despite tough anti-drug laws, a new survey shows the U.S. has the highest level of illegal drug use in the world". We have tough anti-drug laws, and high incarceration rates already. That is OBVIOUSLY not working, since the U.S. still has a very bad drug problem.

 

LINK to article on U.S. Drug Problem

Certain methods of rehabilitation don't work, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all methods of rehabilitation do not work.

 

Also, locking all drug offenders up and throwing away the key does not seem like the answer to me. The United States already leads most other countries (by far) in total number of prisoners. This article states that, "The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners".

 

Therefore, we already have a high incarceration rate, and it isn't working. Not so sure that locking up as many as possible for as long as possible is the answer.

 

Another article states that, "Despite tough anti-drug laws, a new survey shows the U.S. has the highest level of illegal drug use in the world". We have tough anti-drug laws, and high incarceration rates already. That is OBVIOUSLY not working, since the U.S. still has a very bad drug problem.

 

LINK to article on U.S. Drug Problem

 

 

lol I guess my post didn't come across as me agreeing with you. But I do. And I've read all the research you can imagine on it. Although I will say, recidivism rates show that rehabilitation does not work for the most part.

We already have some of the harshest drug laws in the world. We still have a large drug problem in the U.S. so IMO it's obvious that simply locking them up isn't working. With that said, you suggest we just continue with more of the same?

 

And how exactly can we afford to keep building prisons? Raise taxes?

 

 

Put the prisoners to work building their new homes for life.

Put the prisoners to work building their new homes for life.

 

Would you want to try and control a group of criminals who know that they have zero chance what so ever at getting out of prison...ever? Do you honestly think you could make them work? :lol:

Our prisons are already over populated. Without parole and probation, it would be nearly impossible to house all criminals. I think each case of murder or drugs is different. Child molesters I have zero sympathy for. But it is impossible to throw all murderers, drug dealers and child molesters away for life.

 

Well there's another alternative, which I'm not opposed to, if we don't have room in prison for them, we've got plenty of land for burial plots. Better yet, we can save money and just have them creamated.

Edited January 4, 200917 yr by sportsfan41

Yeah, that's a great thing to joke about.

Yeah, that's a great thing to joke about.

 

Who's joking chief. Once they're dead, I don't think it matters how we dispose of them. Get off that high horse.