Things change. Per this year, or at least I was told this Tuesday night, only the ball has to cross for a back-court violation. Would we have to get a 100% on the test? Would there be any of us left? :lol:

What about the Block/Charge rule? I would like to see a rules book that describes that, or maybe even a case book. That's the one call I see coaches get steamed about.

I personally think that college and high school should use the arc that the nba uses for charges. It is the hardest call in basketball and I have a hard time understanding some of the calls. There are obvious ones but there are ones that I just cant figure how the official made his call. But then again, I dont want to do his job either.

Rules clinics are held during the year for all sports.

 

for example: http://officials.khsaa.org/20082009/bkclinics.pdf

 

Yes they are held, but most coaches and some referees that attend ,don't pay attention and the only ones held accountable are the referees.They have to take the part 2 NFHS test that referees are required to take to make post season.Coachesare not held accountable for the rules and most of them have not read a rule book for years.

Things change. Per this year, or at least I was told this Tuesday night, only the ball has to cross for a back-court violation. Would we have to get a 100% on the test? Would there be any of us left? :lol:

 

Nope, still both feet and the ball have to pass halfcourt. Then either feet or ball if they go back across results in a backcourt. Always has been and always will be. :thumb:

Coaches do take the open book KHSAA rule test as well as a coaching wellness test after a 6 hour class.

Nope, still both feet and the ball have to pass halfcourt. Then either feet or ball if they go back across results in a backcourt. Always has been and always will be. :thumb:

 

Your overall point is correct but it could be misleading.

 

Example: A1 has the ball in his hands at the midcourt line. Front foot is in the frontcourt. Other foot is touching the backcourt. The ball is being held on the backcourt side of the court.

 

A1 then lifts his back foot and then puts it back down in the backcourt.

 

Violation. Some might read your description and believe its not a violation since his back foot nor the ball "passed" halfcourt.

The test that has to be taken doesn't even qualify one to officiate since its open book and its done in the comfort of your own home. Heck, I could sign up to be an official and have my buddy take the test for me.

Would making a 100 on a rules test make you a good coach? I would rather my coach know how to attack a match-up zone or be able to draw up a last second shot to win a game in the last second. Then to know exactly what the over and back rule specifies. I would think most coaches at the high school level or above know the basic rules. If not the KHSAA sends each coach a rule book each year for specifications. The mandatory rules clinic is to update coaches about changes and what officials will be emphasizing in the coming year.

Rules clinics are clinics, not tests. I've been to a few rules clinics and the only rules that are covered in those are rules changes and do's and don'ts during the year.

Correct, the rules clinics mainly cover changes from the previous year. There is no test per say that coaches must take in order to coach. Well othe than first aid and cpr.

I will not name the specifics but how about this one for a coach not knowing the rules. 1st game of the season, new Varsity coach, his team is home team. No "home" scorebook is kept, no one at the scorekeepers table for the home team. When asked about it by parents after the game..his reply was didn't know that was my responsibility thought the announcer took care of it. Luckily the visiting team didn't contest it or a forfeit would have been the result. Now you would have thought he'd look into things after that, but nooooo, 2nd game, he doesn't have his starters in the book, the scorekeeper asks him about it he replies doesn't know who's starting, goes into the locker room & doesn't come back out in time before the refs take the book to review & sign off. End result??? His team gets a technical before the game even starts for scorebook keeping error. Great impression for a new varsity coach to make w/ the players, parents & the other team coaches.

 

I'm sorry every coach should know the rules, no matter how trivial they may seem. If that 2nd game would have been lost by 2 pts. which were the result of the technical shots the whole state would have heard the parents & players yell!!

I will not name the specifics but how about this one for a coach not knowing the rules. 1st game of the season, new Varsity coach, his team is home team. No "home" scorebook is kept, no one at the scorekeepers table for the home team. When asked about it by parents after the game..his reply was didn't know that was my responsibility thought the announcer took care of it. Luckily the visiting team didn't contest it or a forfeit would have been the result. Now you would have thought he'd look into things after that, but nooooo, 2nd game, he doesn't have his starters in the book, the scorekeeper asks him about it he replies doesn't know who's starting, goes into the locker room & doesn't come back out in time before the refs take the book to review & sign off. End result??? His team gets a technical before the game even starts for scorebook keeping error. Great impression for a new varsity coach to make w/ the players & the coaches.

 

I'm sorry every coach should know the rules, no matter how trivial they may seem. If that 2nd game would have been lost by 2 pts. which were the result of the technical shots the whole state would have heard the parents & players yell!!

Again, do not blame the coach completely. Someone had to hire him (AD, pricipal, site based council, etc.)

I will not name the specifics but how about this one for a coach not knowing the rules. 1st game of the season, new Varsity coach, his team is home team. No "home" scorebook is kept, no one at the scorekeepers table for the home team. When asked about it by parents after the game..his reply was didn't know that was my responsibility thought the announcer took care of it. Luckily the visiting team didn't contest it or a forfeit would have been the result. Now you would have thought he'd look into things after that, but nooooo, 2nd game, he doesn't have his starters in the book, the scorekeeper asks him about it he replies doesn't know who's starting, goes into the locker room & doesn't come back out in time before the refs take the book to review & sign off. End result??? His team gets a technical before the game even starts for scorebook keeping error. Great impression for a new varsity coach to make w/ the players, parents & the other team coaches.

 

 

There would not have been a forfeit. The home team's book is the official book unless there is a problem. If there is a problem (as in no home team scorebook) then the referee deems the visitor's scorebook as the official scorebook. He/she has the authority to do that even if there is a home team scorebook.