OPS is a relatively new stat and I could see an argument being made for that; however, I think OBP is a much more important stat. Furthermore, a home run hitter with a low batting average (such as Dunn & Howard) can have a skewed OPS, since they hit so many home runs compared to base hits.

 

The combo (OPS) shows a better picture when it pertains to scoring runs. A leadoff hitter that walks or hits well but has no power is usually getting to first base only. A hitter with a high OBP AND that has power is getting on base AND often starting past first base thus a better chance of scoring.

 

Its the rare player in today's game that has a high OBP but low SLG that can also steal a lot of bases to make up for the lack of power.

Because Howard's is higher than Dunn's? The truth comes out.

 

Do you really believe that OPS is more important than OBP?

 

I think WORP is the most important. :banana:

Adam Dunn, Greg Luzinski, Dave Kingman what's the difference? For the Reds I believe that Micah Owens is a better overall hitter than Adam Dunn. If you were the manager and both were on the bench who would you send to the plate for the gwrbi? (runner on 3rd less than two) I know the righty lefty pitcher would make a difference for a while but eventually, the pitcher (MO) would have the better chance, and by the way if the pitcher played everyday I think he would come close to if not hit 40. Good trade for the Reds.

The combo (OPS) shows a better picture when it pertains to scoring runs. A leadoff hitter that walks or hits well but has no power is usually getting to first base only. A hitter with a high OBP AND that has power is getting on base AND often starting past first base thus a better chance of scoring.

 

Its the rare player in today's game that has a high OBP but low SLG that can also steal a lot of bases to make up for the lack of power.

 

True. I like that argument. But still, I think the OBP is a more crucial statistic as it shows the % of the most fundamental element on offense. Getting on base...or more importantly, NOT getting out.

 

And I still feel that power hitters have a skewed OPS. They could go 1-4 with a HR and have a 1.250 OPS.

 

Really, the bottom line is being able to get on base and having good enough hitters behind you to move you over & knock you in. Ryan Howard has (had?) that type of protection in Pat Burrell. Adam Dunn did not, particularly in Cincinnati.

I think WORP is the most important. :banana:

 

Can I get a Webster's on WORP?

 

 

And I'm assuming since you're avoiding the question that you've seen the light and now agree with me?

For Dunn:

 

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Can I get a Webster's on WORP?

 

 

And I'm assuming since you're avoiding the question that you've seen the light and now agree with me?

 

I'm not sure what WORP is. I thought it was a radio station, but someone presented on here this year as a viable stat. No I don't agree. I would want my 4-5 hitter to hit HRs and drive in runs. Which Howard does better than Dunn. My beef with Dunn, is that he was not worth the money he was garnering. Seem everyone is in agreement with that now as we are talking 6M a year compared to 12-15. The Reds are better off without Adam Dunn. Really that's all that matters to me.

I'm not sure what WORP is. I thought it was a radio station, but someone presented on here this year as a viable stat. No I don't agree. I would want my 4-5 hitter to hit HRs and drive in runs. Which Howard does better than Dunn. My beef with Dunn, is that he was not worth the money he was garnering. Seem everyone is in agreement with that now as we are talking 6M a year compared to 12-15. The Reds are better off without Adam Dunn. Really that's all that matters to me.

 

I don't recall WORP at all, but I'll take your word for it...I guess.

 

I agree that Howard is a better hitter than Dunn, but I don't think they're too far apart. Howard has better hitters both in front of him & behind him, which helps drastically.

 

I think Dunn could be very effective in a big-time lineup. He's not the center piece of any lineup, although he could be for a couple of 2-week stretches throughout the season.

 

I would never have given Dunner $12-$15 million a season. I would give him $6-$8 in a heartbeat.

 

And I agree that the Reds are better off without him. It's time for this franchise to go in a new direction.

Wonder if Dunner got as many threads on the local Zona board.

My beef with Dunn, is that he was not worth the money he was garnering. Seem everyone is in agreement with that now as we are talking 6M a year compared to 12-15. .

 

To be clear, Dunn is not talking $6m per year. That was the ridiculous max that Lance McAllister predicted.

To be clear, Dunn is not talking $6m per year. That was the ridiculous max that Lance McAllister predicted.

Do you think he gets 10???

Do you think he gets 10???

 

Probably.

I say he is going to get between 7-9 which is a fair price for him IMO.

I say he is going to get between 7-9 which is a fair price for him IMO.

 

How did you arrive at "fair price?"

Probably.

 

As long as the Reds don't throw away millions on him, i say more power to him.