They are unconstitutional. Just like segregation was unconstitutional. I have read Roe v. Wade. It is not the government's place to decide that for people.

 

It's not the court's place to decide it it's the people and the legislature's place to decide it. I've read the constitution several times over had several constitution classes and I still can't find the fundamental right to privacy, I guess I'm just blind.

McCain may have sealed the fate of the Republican Party when he helped organize the Gang of 14 and cut the legs from under Majority Leader Bill Frist who was beginning to show some backbone.

 

Whoever did McCain's internal polling for Pennsylvania should never work another campaign.

:lol: Ain't that the truth?

:thumb: I hope that enough Republicans agree with you to keep the GOP from following the Democratic Party down the path toward socialism. I knew that the media would turn on McCain as soon as the general campaign began. McCain should have been on the attack as soon as he wrapped up the nomination. He campaigned as if he had a sizable lead.

 

IMO, had McCain named any of the moderates who were supposedly among the front runners for the VP slot instead of Sarah Palin, turnout would have been light and the margin of victory would have been much worse.

 

I hope that the Republican Party learns the right lessons from this defeat but I am not optimistic that it will.

 

I don't really agree with anything you said here, but the basis is they got away from their core.

 

Drugs. Guns. Abortion. Insert any other single item right wing ticket here.

 

McCain allowed the fight to be taken to the other side, and Palin (while she could lead to charge over the next four year or become a disaster) was an awful choice in this cycle.

 

Maybe the GOP recruited a young "5 star" going forward. Only time will tell...

It's not the court's place to decide it it's the people and the legislature's place to decide it. I've read the constitution several times over had several constitution classes and I still can't find the fundamental right to privacy, I guess I'm just blind.

 

Let's see privacy is in the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th amendments according to one of my law professors that taught privacy.

A lot of Palin supporters here it seems, but all the repubs I know had huge probelms with her magically appearing out of nowhere. Some changed their votes because of her. She is even more unknown that Obama.

Let's see privacy is in the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th amendments according to one of my law professors that taught privacy.

 

Well at least 2 of my law professor's tend to disagree with it being in any of those amendments. Of course thankfully I go attend the most conservative public law school in America and most of my professors seem to take that with pride. I'd venture to say we have a much different view on what the first amendment means in regards to separation of church and state too.

I don't really agree with anything you said here, but the basis is they got away from their core.

 

Drugs. Guns. Abortion. Insert any other single item right wing ticket here.

 

McCain allowed the fight to be taken to the other side, and Palin (while she could lead to charge over the next four year or become a disaster) was an awful choice in this cycle.

 

Maybe the GOP recruited a young "5 star" going forward. Only time will tell...

Palin was a great choice. She is the only reason that turnout was strong for McCain. Moderates and independents are generally not politically active. McCain needed to excite the base and Palin did that.

 

The problem with the Republican ticket was at the top although in fairness to McCain, there was a real dearth of quality candidates in the party. Palin and Jindal are four years away from being real contenders. Both are very good speakers who seem to genuinely believe in core conservative values. Pawlenty seems like a nice, intelligent guy but I do not believe that he is presidential material.

I was never happy that McCain was the nominee.

 

That said I believe that any Republican would have had a very hard time beating Obama.

 

Agreed, people wanted change, we'll see whether or not they like it.

A lot of Palin supporters here it seems, but all the repubs I know had huge probelms with her magically appearing out of nowhere. Some changed their votes because of her. She is even more unknown that Obama.

I know quite a few Republicans and none of the ones I know voted for Obama. In fact, many of them would have preferred a ticket with her on top and McCain as her running mate.

I really think Romney will be the nomination in 2012.

 

I could see that, I definitely think the part will take into consideration how badly they lost this election in the north.

I know quite a few Republicans and none of the ones I know voted for Obama. In fact, many of them would have preferred a ticket with her on top and McCain as her running mate.

 

Definitely would have been more exciting with her on top.

I disagree. Someone more to the right would have followed the Bush plan of focusing on abortion and guns. Single issue votes were ignored by McCain, and from there it was over before it started...

 

 

People didn't want to follow the Bush plan though and those aren't currently the key issues among voters.

Palin was a great choice. She is the only reason that turnout was strong for McCain. Moderates and independents are generally not politically active. McCain needed to excite the base and Palin did that.

 

The problem with the Republican ticket was at the top although in fairness to McCain, there was a real dearth of quality candidates in the party. Palin and Jindal are four years away from being real contenders. Both are very good speakers who seem to genuinely believe in core conservative values. Pawlenty seems like a nice, intelligent guy but I do not believe that he is presidential material.

 

You ducked every point of my post.

 

Drugs. Guns. Gay marriage.

 

It's winner, winner, chicken dinner for the right.

 

The right has gone single item, and the left has gone "redistribution".

 

It's all about winning elections. Bad news on both sides...

Just off the top of my head 3 people that will probably at least take a long look at it are Palin, Pawlenty, and Jindal....

 

I think the Republican choice in 2012 will depend quite a bit on how Obama does this term. If his term is successful and the people are supportive, then the 2012 GOP nominee will be a sacrificial lamb. In that situation a candidate like Pawlenty or Jindal would be more likely in 2016.

Definitely would have been more exciting with her on top.

People seem to be forgetting that the McCain-Palin ticket was leading when the economy tanked. They are also discounting the impact that more than $600 million of campaign donations to Obama, including more than $200 million from unknown sources had on the campaign. McCain made the decision to accept public financing and McCain was co-author of the law that allowed the proliferation of the 527s that allowed George Soros and other wealthy leftists to give a big boost to Obama's campaign.