Ram has the long and the short of it.

 

The other factor is that you have to have a staff that totally buys into the system you decide to use. If you change to the spread and your entire staff are 3 yards and a cloud of dust coaches you are going to have a conflict. Just look at what happened at Auburn.

I forgot to answer the question at hand. Greenup County as well as any team can run the system effectively. It just comes down to execution. You have to have some good players to run any offense, but I don't think like stated in other threads, that you have to have a plethora of talent to run the system, you just have to move what talent you have. You don't have to have lightning quick receivers, most of the passes are short 5 yd routes. Last time I checked you will win a lot of games if you gain 5 yds on every play.

 

You don't have to have a dominate OL, most of the passes are quick passes. You don't have to a QB with a cannon for an arm, again most of the passes are short pass routes. You don't have to have a 1000 yrd running back, just one that make a defense pay if they don't respect the run.

 

Granted if you have fast receivers, a strong armed QB, a dominating OL, and great RB, the system will only be that much better. But, you don't have to have it all to be effective.

While we are at it, what offense do people think that Greenup County should run?

 

To be honest, and constructive, Greenup does not have an experienced OL, running a wishbone or power I would be very hard. I could see them running the wing T, but they would have to move some RB's to guard to be very effective.

 

With the OL that they have currently, some kind of misdirection offense would be the only offense that would be effective at all.

It's like any other offense, if you do only one thing, it will hurt you. I know that some teams run 99% of the time and are successful, but they run in different ways, misdirection, fakes, straight dives, blast plays.

 

I was against the system at first, but I can see it as an effective offense now that I have seen it for several years. It is a diverse offense that can cause defenses some trouble. Especially, if it is put together with a potent running game.

 

By spreading the defense out, it benefits the running game, and having a potent passing attack it makes the defense respect the pass. When you can only have 5-6 in the box with 5 OL and 1-2 backs the odds are in the offense's favor. Plus, you force the defense to be in man-to-man coverage. If you have 1-2 quality receivers, with man-to-man coverage the offense has a big advantage as well.

 

The simple fact is: you take what the defense gives you. If they are a good pass defense, you run and make them adjust. If they are a good run defense, you pass and spread their run stoppers out. The system is no different then any other offense, it is set up for the short 5 yds gains, to go against the weakness of the opposing defense.

 

The system, like every offense, has to be bent to the the personnel. If you have a good QB and 1-2 good receivers, then you pass more, if you have 1-2 good running backs, you run more, but no matter what you do the most, you have to run the ball and pass the ball both.

 

I agree with RAM, at first I was thought that coaches were idoits for paying thousdands of dollars to get a "system" from a guy who "created" it. However, after looking at it more than skin deep it is quite ingenius. If you have the right talent (not saying the best, just mediocre players) willing to do the right routes everytime and stay disciplined, then yes you can be very successful with it!

I don't think it is all about the system. I think is more about the amount of time you put into teaching your kids how to run the system. Just like any offense it has it's tendencies. Although I personally am not a big fan of it, I do think it is a good offense. IMO the last couple of years Franklin County has ran it as good as anyone I have seen. But I know they spend a ton of time perfecting it.

Greenup County High School.

 

Yes it is easy to scout if you have nearly equal talent and are disciple you can stop it. Great examples are Belfry and (as pointed out above) Russell.

 

It is worth pointing out that Belfry has never had trouble stopping spread teams without great talent, but when Belfry played O'Cath and Etown in the State Championship games it was moreso Belfry's offense being MORE unstoppable that won them games. Both Etown and OCath passed for over 300 yards. Belfry was bend but don't break against an E-town team with 4 D-1 prospects and O'Cath and record setting QB Zach Bernard. What Belfry did do well was make the running game non-existent and take away the short passes, so it forced the QB to throw down the field more and more, increasing the chance of INT's.

 

The key to stopping a Franklin offense, and the reason it didn't work at Auburn, is the fact it relies entirely on timing and YAC (yards after catch). When you pressure the QB and jam receivers, it throws the timing off. Additionally, if you have sure tackling DB's and LB's who acan cover the field you can easily take away the screens and short routes necessary to utilize the posession aspect of it.

 

The above mentioned points is where teams without alot of talent struggle. Typically they don't have the line to give the QB time and don't have the sheer athleticism to make plays at WR after the catch.

Typically those teams get yards but not points.

I was a sophmore at Raceland when this offense was put in. When used correctly its one of the greatest offenses there is for a highschool team. Easy to learn and easy to execute. But you have to have the personnel to execute it well. And that includes good play calling coming from the sidelines as well. Raceland has evolved it into a whole new game plan since I played. Theres just so many things you can do from a spread offense.

Auburn didn't work out because there was not a belief in the system, but that is true running any offense. They didn't sell out to like they said they would.

You can run nearly anything and be successful IF you block and execute. That's all offense is - blocking and execution. Certain offenses are more suited to certain types of athletes and can be more efficient but if you block, you can run anything. Block and execute better than the other team tackles and executes defense and you win, all things being equal. I wouldn't personally run the Franklin offense at Greenup, but it really comes down to the blocking/execution thing. I thought they did real well running the wing-t under TJ Maynard but I guess that is water under the bridge.

While we are at it, what offense do people think that Greenup County should run?

 

To be honest, and constructive, Greenup does not have an experienced OL, running a wishbone or power I would be very hard. I could see them running the wing T, but they would have to move some RB's to guard to be very effective.

 

With the OL that they have currently, some kind of misdirection offense would be the only offense that would be effective at all.

 

What about mixing up the offense where you are not looking at the wide spread offense all the time. In other words mix up the wing T, wishbone,and Tony Franklin.

What about mixing up the offense where you are not looking at the wide spread offense all the time. In other words mix up the wing T, wishbone,and Tony Franklin.

 

Then you would be called Raceland.:thumb:

Russell DC Garry Morris has slowed it down many a time.

 

You are correct, Russell has done well vs. a Franklin system attack. Russell coaching staff is an excellent one to say the very least. All one has to do is look at the tradition at Russell to see that they (Russell coaching staff) are very well qualified and one of the very best in the state.

I do know that a few years ago when preparing for O-Cath for their state finals that then Raceland asst. coach / "O" coordinator Gerad Parker helped the Russell staff in preparation for the Franklin system attack . Coach Parker knows that system as well as anyone (and probably better than most) and from what I understand he went out there and met with the Russell coaches at their request to help tell them how it was ran and how best to defend it but it was the Russell staff that ran their game plan and how they attacked it.

 

As for if it is right for GCHS, only the GC coaches can determine that. They know their talent and what they can and cannot do. These coaches (as with any coaches anywhere) see their team every day in practice and are the best qualified to determine what offense they run.

My personal opinion is that a high school coach has to adapt their systems, both "O" and "D" to te talent they have on any given year and only they (Coaches) can determine that.

Then you would be called Raceland.:thumb:

 

:lol:.............You're right. Raceland has ran the wishbone, power I, wing T and the spread and spread option in combination to adapt to what they may need to do in a certain situation. That is the sign of a great coaching staff. :thumb:

I don't think it is all about the system. I think is more about the amount of time you put into teaching your kids how to run the system. Just like any offense it has it's tendencies. Although I personally am not a big fan of it, I do think it is a good offense.

 

:thumb: Good post, I certainly agree with these comments.