RM is undecided? I thought she was one of the biggest Obama supporters on this forum?

:lol: She said she was undecided, maybe she made her mind up, but I've never really seen where she was ever considering McCain. Just my opinion though.

If you're an adamant supporter of one of the candidates, and you call it a "push"...Your guy lost!

:laugh: :thumb:

I have said before I don't vote and you could pick apart both candidates til the cows come home.

 

Fact is, McCain seemed to spend way too much time discussing the past and everything he has done. While "on the job experience" is invaluable, he seemed to spend WAY too much discussing that. He kept saying WINNING the war. THERE IS NO WINNER! There is no way in goodness green earth we are ever going to WIN. That is the problem with the war to begin with and why we need a timetable. For all the good things we might be doing, there will ALWAYS be conflict. This idea that we keep at it, we will "get em" is the WRONG mentality to have. Obama asks that we look into balancing things and not having EVERYTHING focused on Iraq and he is exactly right.

 

Mccain said nothing that made me think, ya know, he is right. It's the same crap this country has dealt with for eight years and it hasn't worked. WE NEED TO LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES!!!

 

My goodess, okay, I'm all better now. :lol:

 

I couldn't count the number of times Obama had to "correct" him on wrong information he was giving. While there is no winner in this debate, because you are going to feel the way you felt before hand, I thought Obama did an outstanding job.

No different than your for McCain or any Republican, RM. I really couldn't care less how much you value my opinion, for someone supposedly undecided you've never really come across that way since day one of these two running.

 

 

I haven't said anything NEARLY like you say about McCain. I have been looking for reasons to push my support his way. All I get are slams against Obama.

 

As to whom I have supported from day one, I've defended Obama, no doubt. I found my defense of him helped me understand his positions because I was constantly researching the vitrol spewed forth here.

 

The depth of nastiness in the comments about Obama, many unfounded and inflammatory lead me to believe that while many are not thrilled with McCain as a choice, they'll take it personally if Obama wins. I also find it interesting that when asked to extol the virtues of McCain, the comments invariably are attacks on Obama.....nothing of substance offered in defense of McCain.

 

You think because someone questions the attacks that they must have decided. I would just have to say then, that maybe you're just not used to having someone question your opinion.

Neither had much to say about the bailout. Obama said the language wasn’t set yet, and McCain said he would vote for it, which I assume meant he affirms the idea of a bailout. On the differences in their stances on the bailout, Obama argued that McCain’s $300 million tax cuts aren’t going to help and that that number towers over the $18 million worth of earmarks this year. McCain argued for cutting spending citing his history of fighting pork. I think Obama took the edge here as he was able to successfully link McCain’s tax breaks to CEOs and the arbiters of the financial crisis, which the voters probably have had enough of at this point.

 

On what do cut out of their respective plans, Obama gave very little in specifics. McCain skirted it as well, but advocated a spending freeze except for defense measures. Obama hammered on about how important education and energy independence were and that those couldn’t be cut. Although Obama made a nice point about eight years of Bush’s budgets that McCain has been behind, McCain probably took the best of this exchange.

 

The Iraq war was probably a push. They both argued well for their respective sides, and I don’t think either edged the other.

 

On other foreign policy matters, I think Obama was doing well, particularly on Iran, until McCain turned the tables on him with the direct questioning. Obama kept turning to Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda, which are good points, and McCain continued to paint Obama as not having the judgment to handle the Presidency because of his stances on Iraq. I don’t think either stuck.

I haven't said anything NEARLY like you say about McCain. I have been looking for reasons to push my support his way. All I get are slams against Obama.

 

As to whom I have supported from day one, I've defended Obama, no doubt. I found my defense of him helped me understand his positions because I was constantly researching the vitrol spewed forth here.

 

The depth of nastiness in the comments about Obama, many unfounded and inflammatory lead me to believe that while many are not thrilled with McCain as a choice, they'll take it personally if Obama wins. I also find it interesting that when asked to extol the virtues of McCain, the comments invariably are attacks on Obama.....nothing of substance offered in defense of McCain.

 

You think because someone questions the attacks that they must have decided. I would just have to say then, that maybe you're just not used to having someone question your opinion.

Funny you never gave Palin the same consideration.

RM is undecided? I thought she was one of the biggest Obama supporters on this forum?

 

I've DEFENDED Obama, because I feel the vitrol is not logical. I haven't decided yet.

 

:lol: She said she was undecided, maybe she made her mind up, but I've never really seen where she was ever considering McCain. Just my opinion though.

 

I've asked many times for reasons to support McCain. I've mentioned things I agree with him on. When asking for reasons why people think McCain should be supported, what's given are slams on Obama.

 

 

I think there are good and bad points to each.

 

Big for me:

 

I agree with Obama on economic issues.

I agree with Obama on much of the Iraqi situation, and all on Afghanistan.

 

 

I agree with McCain on Education and Abortion.

Funny you never gave Palin the same consideration.

 

 

No. Absolutely not, and I'm not at all afraid to admit it, or ashamed to admit it.

No. Absolutely not, and I'm not at all afraid to admit it, or ashamed to admit it.

Sounds really unbiased and undecided.

McCain won.

If you're an adamant supporter of one of the candidates, and you call it a "push"...Your guy lost!

 

 

Not in this debate. McCain had to hit a HR, foreign policy is his baby. I felt Obama held his own and was more knowledgeable on subjects I thought he would have a little trouble with. McCain didn't look at Obama once, he was mean and I feel that will hurt him. Just wondering, did McCain quote anyone from BGP? I had to step away for a few minutes and wasn't sure. I believe he quoted about 15 people.

A media curves panel scored the debate for Obama. Though I'd put much more stock in scientific polling. However, I couldn't pass up these statistics:

 

90% of Republicans thought McCain won, while 93% of Democrats thought Obama won. That would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

http://mediacurves.com/

I've DEFENDED Obama, because I feel the vitrol is not logical. I haven't decided yet.

 

 

 

I've asked many times for reasons to support McCain. I've mentioned things I agree with him on. When asking for reasons why people think McCain should be supported, what's given are slams on Obama.

 

 

I think there are good and bad points to each.

 

Big for me:

 

I agree with Obama on economic issues.

I agree with Obama on much of the Iraqi situation, and all on Afghanistan.

 

 

I agree with McCain on Education and Abortion.

Oh RM give me a break. There has been no shortage of slams on McCain and I can't recall you taking McCain's side. I still don't buy you're undecided, you may try to tell yourself that, but deep down I think you made your mind up a long time ago. You've never given me anything in this forum to think otherwise.

Sounds really unbiased and undecided.

 

 

Roll your eyes. If McCain gets rid of that sham, and replaces her with a respectable choice, it would definitely make me consider him VERY seriously. But, as he alluded to her in tonights debate as a fellow maverick, I doubt seriously that will happen.

 

I'm not biased in my opinion of Palin. There are facts to support that she's completely and utterly not a good choice for VP. I also feel there's enough evidence (including comments from the McCain campaign) that confirms his attempt to pander to the female voter, that I definitely lost a bit of respect for him. IMO, he insulted me, a woman voter, when he assumed that any woman would be enough to secure our vote. IMO, he apparently doesn't realize it's been a few decades since sufferage....we're even smarter now than then. We won't vote for a woman just because she's a woman.

Like they said on TV, Obama looked at the camera, McCain looked at Lehrer.