August 30, 200818 yr Do you feel changes need to be made in the Second Amendment? If so, what do you propose? What changes in federal, state or local laws do you think need changing and why? My reason for this thread is the fact that we have a pro-gun ticket (especially with the VP pick) vs an anti-gun ticket in the upcoming election. I would really like to get some input from both sides of the issue.
August 30, 200818 yr Author RTS - I asked you this a while back, but we didn't really get to discuss it. What regulations do YOU think should be made on owning/purchasing guns? It will help if you don't answer with "the ones we have now are enough" because I really don't know what those are...I know that I can purchase a variety of handguns for personal protection and that I can purchase a variety of rifles and shot guns for hunting purposes...and that is enough for me to know.Rockmom touched on a subject of being taught gun safety first, I don't really have a problem with that because it's obviously very important. It would depend on how, cost and things of that nature for me. On the part in bold, I'm not sure what you are saying, could you please explain?
August 30, 200818 yr RTS, I don't think most people know what current restrictions that there are on buying a gun (myself included). Most are just listening to the political rhetoric, and basing their decision on what they hear, which I'd assume is far from the truth. Why don't you, as briefly as possible, explain to us what current regulations exist.
August 31, 200818 yr Author RTS, I don't think most people know what current restrictions that there are on buying a gun (myself included). Most are just listening to the political rhetoric, and basing their decision on what they hear, which I'd assume is far from the truth. Why don't you, as briefly as possible, explain to us what current regulations exist. Where to start, there are so many from state to state. Well, states vary on how things are done. To begin with there is the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) that you have to pass. You have the Federal Firearms Act, the Gun Control Act, the Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act, the Crime Control Act, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the now defunct (thankfully) Assault Weapons Ban to name a few. There are, as I said, different laws in differnt states and cities. For instance, in Illinois a FOID is required to purchase rifles and shotguns. A FOID is a Firearms Owner’s Identification Card. A FOID is also required to purchase a handgun. Keep in mind that this is subject to municipal control. Handguns have been banned in some municipalities. Chicago requires registration of all firearms. Carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited entirely. A FOID is required to transport a handgun. A buyer is required to show his FOID when purchasing any firearms or ammunition. Any seller is required to withhold delivery of any handgun for 72 hours, and of any rifle or shotgun for 24 hours, after the buyer and seller reach an agreement to purchase a firearm. The seller must retain for 10 years a record of the transfer, including a description of the firearm (including serial number), the identity of the buyer, and the buyer’s FOID number. It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about the person, except on one's land or or fixed place of business. As you can see, some states and cities go to an extreme and IMO puts citizens at risk.
August 31, 200818 yr Rockmom touched on a subject of being taught gun safety first, I don't really have a problem with that because it's obviously very important. It would depend on how, cost and things of that nature for me. On the part in bold, I'm not sure what you are saying, could you please explain? The bolded is what I know about gun ownership. I was seeking further knowledge. I only ever plan on owning a few handguns and a few guns for hunting purposes.
August 31, 200818 yr The bolded is what I know about gun ownership. I was seeking further knowledge. I only ever plan on owning a few handguns and a few guns for hunting purposes. Funny, nothing was bolded. So I guess you know nothing about gun ownership???:sssh::lol:
August 31, 200818 yr Author The bolded is what I know about gun ownership. I was seeking further knowledge. I only ever plan on owning a few handguns and a few guns for hunting purposes.Gotcha. Any other questions that I might be able to shed some light to? Do you have any particular concerns about guns or gun laws? Here is a list of Kentucky Revised Statutes that you can browse through on Firearms and Destructive Devices.
August 31, 200818 yr Author Some things to ponder. Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000). The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000). The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).
August 31, 200818 yr Some things to ponder. Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000). The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000). The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000). Got a link to support your findings? I hope it didn't come from the NRA home page.
August 31, 200818 yr Author Got a link to support your findings? I hope it didn't come from the NRA home page. http://www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/fla_model.htm
August 31, 200818 yr http://www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/fla_model.htm I'm not saying that the data your site reports isn't correct, but did you notice that it seems much of the data is from FBI reports in 1992? While I don't think that was too long ago it was in actuality 18 years ago. A lot of gun legislation has come and gone since then, has it had any effect on those statistics cited? I really couldn't tell if they are using these nearly 20 year old stats as a starting or ending point in the measurements.
August 31, 200818 yr Author I'm not saying that the data your site reports isn't correct, but did you notice that it seems much of the data is from FBI reports in 1992? While I don't think that was too long ago it was in actuality 18 years ago. A lot of gun legislation has come and gone since then, has it had any effect on those statistics cited? I really couldn't tell if they are using these nearly 20 year old stats as a starting or ending point in the measurements. Gun Control: Examining the 2005 FBI Crime Statistics Sorting FBI data by violent crime rate uncovers some interesting results. The seven least violent states are all shall-issue right-to-carry (RTC). Of the seven most violent states, three are non-RTC (includes D.C.) Since about 75% of all states are RTC, 43% of the worst being non-RTC makes these states over-represented at the unpleasant end. The five states with the lowest murder rate are RTC, but two of the five worst are non-RTC. The eleven states with the lowest robbery rate are RTC, but of the eleven worst, 5 are non-RTC. Nine of 10 states with the lowest assault rates are RTC, while 3 of 10 with the highest rates are non-RTC. The only exception is in rates of rape, where three of the 10 lowest are non-RTC, while only one non-RTC state is in the 10 worst. Overall, non-RTC states average 27.8% higher violent crime rates, most notably 43.8% higher murder and 85% higher robbery rates, than RTC states. The exception is rape: non-RTC states averaged 21.1% lower rates, reversing a 9-year trend where 10 states with RTC laws enacted during 1995-1996 saw their rates of rape drop faster than non-RTC states.
August 31, 200818 yr I am in favor of keeping the bill of rights including the 2nd amendment exactly the way it is. Some of the liberal wacko's have been trying to re write it for years and this democratic ticket imo wants to destroy it completely if the truth were known, but should Obama be elected....we won't know any truth from Obama untill after he is elected. Should someone want to just own a handgun for personal protection, a hunting gun such as a rifle or shotgun then that is fine. As a matter of fact that is what I own. This should not keep a law abiding citizen from owning any other type of weapon if that is what they want. Should I, in the future want to obtain another type (fully auto matic or other type) of weapon then that is my right as law abiding citizen. This country has plenty of gun laws on the books right now, no new laws are need. What is needed is to enforce the laws that we already have in place, that imo is up to some of these wimp judges that are not doing their job and who can and are being bought :irked: " I will give up my gun when they pry my cold, dead hands from around it"
August 31, 200818 yr Yep....there is always a real need for a law abiding citizen to own a full auto mack, a couple of ozzies, some handgernades and an anti aircraft gun.
August 31, 200818 yr Here are some statistics to consider in deciding where you stand on this issue: American Bar Association Prevalence of Domestic Violence In a 1995-1996 study conducted in the 50 States and the District of Columbia, nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or dating partner/acquaintance at some time in their lifetime (based on survey of 16,000 participants, equally male and female).Patricia Tjaden & Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 181867, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, at iii (2000), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/181867.htm Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States. Patricia Tjaden & Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 183781, Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, at iv (2000), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/183781.htm Intimate partner violence made up 20% of all nonfatal violent crime experienced by women in 2001. Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf Intimate partners committed 3% of the nonfatal violence against men.Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf In 2000, 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. In recent years, an intimate partner killed approximately 33% of female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims. Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 197838, Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief: Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, at 1 (2003), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf Access to firearms yields a more than five-fold increase in risk of intimate partner homicide when considering other factors of abuse, according to a recent study, suggesting that abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners.Jacquelyn C. Campbell et al., Risk Factors For Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From A Multi-Site Case Control Study, 93 Am. J. of Public Health 1089, 1092 (2003), abstract available at http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/7/1089 Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents in 2002.The Violence Pol'y Ctr., When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2002 Homicide Data: Females Murdered by Males in Single Victim/Single Offender Incidents, at 7 (2004), available at http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf
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