I call in the 12th region and the fees are $51.00 for a Varsity game and $40.00 for a JV game. Most schools in the 12th region have started playing 3 outs or 3 runs per half inning for the JV games. From my experience these games are laxed and are more for development than for competition. Coaches have free substitution and sometimes they bat 10 or 11 players. In most of these games the teams pitch multiple players ( 5 pitchers in 5 innings)

 

 

For the record umpires do not get paid for going out of town. If the round trip is more than 75 miles then they get $20.00 gas money. Last night I drove from Somerset to McCreary 66 miles round trip. It cost me @ $10. gas.

 

 

Just for comparison:

 

Monday night I left my house at 5:00 called a 8th grade game 6 innings and a 7th grade game 4 innings and was back at my house at 9:00. I got paid $75.00

 

 

Tuesday night I went to McCreary Co. I left town at 4:15. I called a 7 inning game and a 5 inning game. I got home at 10:30 and spent $10 in gas.

 

 

Monday 4 hours net $75.00

Tuesday 6 hours net $81.00

 

 

I have head a rumor that in the 12th region next year some of that laxed atmosphere in JV games might be gone. No more 3 or 3 and free substitution. The talk I've heard is to get coaches and umpires on the same page and run them just like V games.

In the 16th region the pay is $53.50 for a 7 inning game. It does not matter whether it is varsity or jv. For softball the pay is $48.50 for a 7 inning game. In fact this coming weekend I believe that Boyd County high school is hosting a jv softball tournament. All games are 7 inning games and umpires will be paid accordingly. $48.50 per ump per game.

If your only getting $25 for JV game you need to move to a different rgion to ump. $25 I wouldn't think would be worth it. In our region alot of the schools are playing seperate JV and V schedules. At least the better programs are. I wonder why that is. To develop their younger players.

 

Niner,

I'm sort of stuck in the 15th due to travel restrictions (and a REAL day job). I don't do just JV because of the low pay and the travel involved (the 15th is a pretty big region in area. Referencing my posts above, you will see that the JV we do is immediately after a varsity game and we (fellow blues and I) generally stay to do the game (even though we don't have to because the games are not assigned by our assigner). I admit it's a screwed up situation but it's the only game in town in the 15th.

JUST A QUESTION == If game rules are changed and you only score 3 runs per game or bat 10 or 11 hitters then if a player is injured and the game is not played under the NFHS guidlines will insurance cover the medical expenses or not?

 

I think it would. It covers scrimmages and they dont always play NFHS guidelines. In football most teams do not kick off and some do not punt and on fieldgoals they do not rush the kicker especilly in the 1st scrimmage. Futhermore coaches are often in the middle of the field coaching. I wouldn't think it would void the insurance in these cases nor would I think it would void the insurance if 2 teams play 3 or 3 or allow free substitution.

 

Not all Jv games play these rules. In fact when JV teams play in tournaments or play JV double headers (from my experence) they play strait up 5 inning games. Its after varsity games in the 2nd game of a double header usually on a school night that they play 3 or 3. In my case umpires do not make the call the coaches tell us we are playing 3 or 3. But however its played it needs to be decided upon before the game starts.

 

 

I have heard of one school that plays the jv game first and it has a time limit on it. The coach says the game is over at 7:00 regardless of the score or situation. At 7 the game is over!!

The 8th region leaves innings up to the coaches. Most are scheduled as 5 or 7 when schedules are turned in. Several schools do not have lights so 2 to 3 is the norm at those sites until late in the season. There is a sliding scale for the games based on either predetrmined 5 or 7 innings. Level doesn't matter.

 

In freshman and JV games the umps don't keep lineups and it doesn't matter how you bat to them. Do play straight up baseball and contrary to belief the strike zone doesn't get larger just more marginal pitches are called strikes. Have them swinging coaches!

I know in the 10th and 11th region that the pay for varsity is 60.00 and jv 55.00 I believe for a full 7 innings. Alot of the V/jv games are played a 7 and a 5 due to time frames. Also if they the jv game is scheduled for 5 innings according to rule thats all they play. If they play on and someone gets hurt then it falls back on the umpires and not the coach because they played on. Alot of jv games I have seen this year they have been playing 3 outs or 3 runs which ever comes first, then also I have seen free subbing and both teams bat all there players. The main thing is safety and I'm pretty sure by rule if it says 5 thats all you play.

I think it would. It covers scrimmages and they dont always play NFHS guidelines. In football most teams do not kick off and some do not punt and on fieldgoals they do not rush the kicker especilly in the 1st scrimmage. Futhermore coaches are often in the middle of the field coaching. I wouldn't think it would void the insurance in these cases nor would I think it would void the insurance if 2 teams play 3 or 3 or allow free substitution.

 

Not all Jv games play these rules. In fact when JV teams play in tournaments or play JV double headers (from my experence) they play strait up 5 inning games. Its after varsity games in the 2nd game of a double header usually on a school night that they play 3 or 3. In my case umpires do not make the call the coaches tell us we are playing 3 or 3. But however its played it needs to be decided upon before the game starts.

 

 

I have heard of one school that plays the jv game first and it has a time limit on it. The coach says the game is over at 7:00 regardless of the score or situation. At 7 the game is over!!

 

Scrimmages are before the season starts and they have different guidlines. Once opening day arrives the rules are much different. I would think that before it`s too late someone should check on this. I am hearing out of Lexington that this practice of 3 and 3 or batting 11 , etc. is unacceptable.

Worked a game the other night, first of all, the visitors from another region was late. That does not happen in football or basketball. Worked a mercy in the varsity and they did play a JV which was not on our check...... We played, 3 innings of 3 outs or 3 runs, whichever come first, this works great. At the end of 3, the visitor wanted to play one more to get his young players a time at bat, I had not problem. I was there, working, and I hope the kid learned something.

 

I do see the problem because in baseball it happens. Baseball players waste more time, the game is beginning to be or is boring at all levels. As an umpire, I stick to the speed up things I can control. A lot of time is wasted in between innings when players want to huddle, talk to coaches, they have one minute or 5 tosses. Get out there and play. Much more things can be done to speed up the game, warm up catcher if the starter is getting his equipment on. Don't waste time UMPS.

 

Yes, we do have a bigger strike zone, mine is not chin to shin more than it is from east to west on the plate. Be a pitchers ump, who wants to walk batters all day?

I know we have had the same controversy in the 5th region. As a matter of fact, we had this happen each of the last two seasons. Last year, the umpires left after 5 innings of a 1-1 freshman game. The head varsity coach found out, told his AD and the checks were not sent to the umpires. The head of the umpires was told and those guys were also fined.

When the umpires left that night they said that they only get paid for 5 innings but it was brought up that they did not get paid less for a 10 run rule 3 inning JV or frosh game.

 

This year we had the same situation between the same 2 teams and the coaches agreed after 5 innings that they would play 1 more inning. Each team scored 3 in the 6th and that was it. It was the 2nd game of a frosh doubleheader and it was getting late.

 

I think that they key is communication before the game starts.

I know we have had the same controversy in the 5th region. As a matter of fact, we had this happen each of the last two seasons. Last year, the umpires left after 5 innings of a 1-1 freshman game. The head varsity coach found out, told his AD and the checks were not sent to the umpires. The head of the umpires was told and those guys were also fined.

When the umpires left that night they said that they only get paid for 5 innings but it was brought up that they did not get paid less for a 10 run rule 3 inning JV or frosh game.

 

This year we had the same situation between the same 2 teams and the coaches agreed after 5 innings that they would play 1 more inning. Each team scored 3 in the 6th and that was it. It was the 2nd game of a frosh doubleheader and it was getting late.

 

I think that they key is communication before the game starts.

 

:thumb:

Respect the game and play another inning or so until it's over.

Here is another thought on this topic. Varsity games are 7 innings or 10 run rule after 5. JV games are 5 innings or 1 and 1/2 hour time limit, according to KHSAA, and it doesn't say you can play extras if it's tied. Not like it's the world series, it's jv, call it a tie and go home!

Wrong, world series or not, they're still young men wanting to win, if umpies are in it for the money only, their job will not be done professionally. Give these young men a break, what's the difference in a team scoring 20 runs and playing for 2 hours, or playing 2 extra innings and playing 2 hours. :thumb:

JV is for players not good enough to play on the varsity. To get them some at bats in game situations and see how they play defense in game situations. After 5 innings and it's 9:00pm or later, the only people that care are the mom's and dad's, whose little boys are not getting into the varsity game. 5 innings is enough for them, if they care about winning, then they need to do it in 5 innings or less!

JV is for players not good enough to play on the varsity. To get them some at bats in game situations and see how they play defense in game situations. After 5 innings and it's 9:00pm or later, the only people that care are the mom's and dad's, whose little boys are not getting into the varsity game. 5 innings is enough for them, if they care about winning, then they need to do it in 5 innings or less!

 

I think perhaps a better way of wording this would be to say it is for players striving to better themselves to become varsity players. I know a lot of JV players that are plenty good enough to play for many varsity teams, but are just in a situation at their own school where there isn't a spot for them on varsity. Perhaps they could even make their own varsity team, but wouldn't get a lot of playing time and are better served to play a full season at the JV level. Either way, however, these are kids/parents/coaches that obviously enjoy the game of baseball and to imply that a few token at-bats or innings in the field is sufficient because it's a "lowly" JV game is off-base.

 

As far as your last statement, it's so far out there that it doesn't deserve a response.

JV is for players not good enough to play on the varsity. To get them some at bats in game situations and see how they play defense in game situations. After 5 innings and it's 9:00pm or later, the only people that care are the mom's and dad's, whose little boys are not getting into the varsity game. 5 innings is enough for them, if they care about winning, then they need to do it in 5 innings or less!

 

I am not a mom or dad of a kid who plays varisty or jv. So much for that theory...