I'll have to agree with something that Cooperstown posted earlier in the thread. That this view of the fact that it was "only a JV game" is very short-sighted. But its your opinion nonetheless. I guess that's why situations arise as they did during this game.

 

Maybe your family would enjoy the evening at home. My family enjoys being at the ballpark.

 

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Would somebody please post a link or page numbers where it says that about time limits in the rule book. I also know at least one assigning secretary that would go off if any of his umpires left in that situation. Where I am from you get paid for a job and it is not done until the game is officially over.

I have never heard of a baseball game being scheduled for a finite number of innings. All games at all levels are scheduled for a set number of innings but everyone knows there is a chance of extra innings. Thats baseball. Varsity games are scheduled for seven innings but your not going to call the game with it tied after seven. Why should it be any different for those kids playing JV. They play and practice just as hard as the Varsity players. Those JV games are the only way to develop those young players.

 

Niner,

You have heard of it now. The varsity-JV scheduling is a lot looser in our region. Rarely, some schools schedule JV games separately and treat them the same as varsity games (and the pay is the same as varsity for the seven inning games), but only certain schools do it this way. Most of the schools are looking at saving money by combining them with a varsity contest and do not play a standalone JV schedule. Regarding varsity-JV combination, JV games are not listed on our schedule nor are they assigned by our game assigner (our assigner does not receive any compensation for JV so the schools have to contact us directly). Typically, we do not know until we see our check at the start of the game if JV had been planned in advance. And,even then, they will decide to play on the spot and pay us the extra $25 out of the concession stand monies. Before the JV begins, we ask the coaches how many innings they want to play (up to five). Most of the time, it's either three or four innings. One time this year we did a five inning game. At the end of the predetermined number of innings, game over (tie or not).Score is rarely kept on the scoreboard, lineups are not exchanged, etc. (hence my remark earlier about treating these games as controlled scrimmages). I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but just the way it's done here. My solution would be that if JV were to be treated equally with varsity play, they should play a separate schedule, travel separately, and pay the same for games, and treat the games with the same level of attention that you would for varsity contests. Due to the costs of this solution, it's highly unlikely to happen (particularly in a low revenue sport like baseball). Alas, in a perfect world,....

Niner,

You have heard of it now. The varsity-JV scheduling is a lot looser in our region. Rarely, some schools schedule JV games separately and treat them the same as varsity games (and the pay is the same as varsity for the seven inning games), but only certain schools do it this way. Most of the schools are looking at saving money by combining them with a varsity contest and do not play a standalone JV schedule. Regarding varsity-JV combination, JV games are not listed on our schedule nor are they assigned by our game assigner (our assigner does not receive any compensation for JV so the schools have to contact us directly). Typically, we do not know until we see our check at the start of the game if JV had been planned in advance. And,even then, they will decide to play on the spot and pay us the extra $25 out of the concession stand monies. Before the JV begins, we ask the coaches how many innings they want to play (up to five). Most of the time, it's either three or four innings.

 

I would think this would also sometimes be a personal inconvenience to the umpires to find out they are being asked to stay an extra 1 1/2 hours that they weren't expecting. I'm sure there are times that you all have a need to get home or run an errand or something, right? Do you have the option of declining to do the game in such instances or are you just automatically expected to stay?

I would think this would also sometimes be a personal inconvenience to the umpires to find out they are being asked to stay an extra 1 1/2 hours that they weren't expecting. I'm sure there are times that you all have a need to get home or run an errand or something, right? Do you have the option of declining to do the game in such instances or are you just automatically expected to stay?

 

Coop,

Due to the time (varsity at 6, JV at 8:30 or 9), the evening is already shot (speaking for myself) and I stay. Typically, both umpires stay.However, there have been instances where one of the two umpires have to leave for some reason due to unplanned nature of the game and one umpire does the game from behind the plate. Once this year, both of us had to leave immediately after the game. I do not know if coaches or fans volunteered to umpire since I had to leave in a hurry for a trip out of town. I apologized to the coaches about now being able to stay, but again, we did not know the game was planned. No one (umpires, coaches, fans) likes the present system, but no one wants to do anything to change it either. Most of the time, I can guess which teams will play JV after the varsity game due to their past history. But sometimes the ones you think will, won't and vice versa. I would like to see a separate JV schedule with higher pay (maybe $40-45 for five innings) to make it worth an umpire's travel and give a opportunity for our association to get young umpires the training they need. But no one has asked me for my opinion...

I don't have a dog in this fight.

 

I am curious - which typically takes longer to play - a 2-1 seven inning game, or a 16-4 five inning game?

I don't have a dog in this fight.

 

I am curious - which typically takes longer to play - a 2-1 seven inning game, or a 16-4 five inning game?

 

 

The 2-1 seven inning game hands down just due to the number of extra batters involved (at least 17 due to the number of runs scored and I would figure a few more runners LOB). And, don't forget the pitching changes for the team giving up 16. From personal experience, 2-1 (1.5-1.75 hours), 16-4 (2.25-2.5 hours minimum.)

Pay here in the 14th region is $50 for a varsity game, no matter how many innings 4 1/2 - forever... JV pay is $40 for 1 pitch or 5 innings which ever gets the game over the fastest... no line ups are exchanged, we usually bat 9 batters an inning or 3 outs, which ever comes first, so when 5 innings are over the game is over, there are more at bats in this game because of the way we do it so when 5 innings are over no matter what the score, the game is over.

I talked to umpire in 16th and he said all JV games are scheduled thru assigner. Most softball play after/before varsity and most baseball are scheduled seperate. Number of innings is on schedule, usually 5 when playing varsity/jv dh, even though it is considered a looser atmosphere, score is kept and there are no ties. He said he thought softball was paid $33.50 for JV and baseball got $38.50 for JV.

I think it would be a good idea to get all of the facts before berating umpires, they put up with enough as it is.

I call in the 12th region and the fees are $51.00 for a Varsity game and $40.00 for a JV game. Most schools in the 12th region have started playing 3 outs or 3 runs per half inning for the JV games. From my experience these games are laxed and are more for development than for competition. Coaches have free substitution and sometimes they bat 10 or 11 players. In most of these games the teams pitch multiple players ( 5 pitchers in 5 innings)

 

 

For the record umpires do not get paid for going out of town. If the round trip is more than 75 miles then they get $20.00 gas money. Last night I drove from Somerset to McCreary 66 miles round trip. It cost me @ $10. gas.

 

 

Just for comparison:

 

Monday night I left my house at 5:00 called a 8th grade game 6 innings and a 7th grade game 4 innings and was back at my house at 9:00. I got paid $75.00

 

 

Tuesday night I went to McCreary Co. I left town at 4:15. I called a 7 inning game and a 5 inning game. I got home at 10:30 and spent $10 in gas.

 

 

Monday 4 hours net $75.00

Tuesday 6 hours net $81.00

I think it would be a good idea to get all of the facts before berating umpires, they put up with enough as it is.

 

And the congregation says AMEN....

Here is another thought on this topic. Varsity games are 7 innings or 10 run rule after 5. JV games are 5 innings or 1 and 1/2 hour time limit, according to KHSAA, and it doesn't say you can play extras if it's tied. Not like it's the world series, it's jv, call it a tie and go home!

 

Yeah..then baseball will start to be on the same level as soccer, and I definitely don't want that no matter if it is JV or not.

I call in the 12th region and the fees are $51.00 for a Varsity game and $40.00 for a JV game. Most schools in the 12th region have started playing 3 outs or 3 runs per half inning for the JV games. From my experience these games are laxed and are more for development than for competition. Coaches have free substitution and sometimes they bat 10 or 11 players. In most of these games the teams pitch multiple players ( 5 pitchers in 5 innings)

 

 

For the record umpires do not get paid for going out of town. If the round trip is more than 75 miles then they get $20.00 gas money. Last night I drove from Somerset to McCreary 66 miles round trip. It cost me @ $10. gas.

 

 

Just for comparison:

 

Monday night I left my house at 5:00 called a 8th grade game 6 innings and a 7th grade game 4 innings and was back at my house at 9:00. I got paid $75.00

 

 

Tuesday night I went to McCreary Co. I left town at 4:15. I called a 7 inning game and a 5 inning game. I got home at 10:30 and spent $10 in gas.

 

 

Monday 4 hours net $75.00

Tuesday 6 hours net $81.00

 

JUST A QUESTION == If game rules are changed and you only score 3 runs per game or bat 10 or 11 hitters then if a player is injured and the game is not played under the NFHS guidlines will insurance cover the medical expenses or not?

Niner,

You have heard of it now. The varsity-JV scheduling is a lot looser in our region. Rarely, some schools schedule JV games separately and treat them the same as varsity games (and the pay is the same as varsity for the seven inning games), but only certain schools do it this way. Most of the schools are looking at saving money by combining them with a varsity contest and do not play a standalone JV schedule. Regarding varsity-JV combination, JV games are not listed on our schedule nor are they assigned by our game assigner (our assigner does not receive any compensation for JV so the schools have to contact us directly). Typically, we do not know until we see our check at the start of the game if JV had been planned in advance. And,even then, they will decide to play on the spot and pay us the extra $25 out of the concession stand monies. Before the JV begins, we ask the coaches how many innings they want to play (up to five). Most of the time, it's either three or four innings. One time this year we did a five inning game. At the end of the predetermined number of innings, game over (tie or not).Score is rarely kept on the scoreboard, lineups are not exchanged, etc. (hence my remark earlier about treating these games as controlled scrimmages). I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but just the way it's done here. My solution would be that if JV were to be treated equally with varsity play, they should play a separate schedule, travel separately, and pay the same for games, and treat the games with the same level of attention that you would for varsity contests. Due to the costs of this solution, it's highly unlikely to happen (particularly in a low revenue sport like baseball). Alas, in a perfect world,....

 

If your only getting $25 for JV game you need to move to a different rgion to ump. $25 I wouldn't think would be worth it. In our region alot of the schools are playing seperate JV and V schedules. At least the better programs are. I wonder why that is. To develop their younger players.