If that is the issue then the schools that choose to be closed need to start their own governing body if they so choose and leave everyone else playing by the rules alone.

 

Remember, you can't self impose restrictions on your own school district and then complain that others won't do the same. The practice is not only stupid but it is un-american.

 

And we have talked and discussed that you can be open enrollment in the rural areas and it would change nothing.

 

When you have open enrollment schools like a Beechwood and Highlands competing against schools that are geographically closed enrollment, there is little to nothing anyone can do about the advantage those schools have.

Cry me a river.

Cry me a river.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

Once again, I am wiping Diet Pepsi off of my computer screen.

And we have talked and discussed that you can be open enrollment in the rural areas and it would change nothing.

 

When you have open enrollment schools like a Beechwood and Highlands competing against schools that are geographically closed enrollment, there is little to nothing anyone can do about the advantage those schools have.

 

So because you CHOSE to live in a place where there are clear disadvantages, you feel the need to change the rules for those who made a different (dare I say better) choice?

I see this situation as a " We must level the playing facilities...." LOL

And we have talked and discussed that you can be open enrollment in the rural areas and it would change nothing.

 

When you have open enrollment schools like a Beechwood and Highlands competing against schools that are geographically closed enrollment, there is little to nothing anyone can do about the advantage those schools have.

 

So those teams in the rural area are going to lose. It happens. It comes with the territory of living in a rural area if what you say is true. There probably are some great benefits of living in a rural area. Playing on sports teams may not be one of those great benefits. Highlands doesn't have its own swimming pool. Some high schools do. That gives those schools a huge advantage. I've never, ever heard a single Highlands swimmer whine about it. They do the best they can; they work their tails off; they totally dedicate themselves to winning state. If it doesn't happen because some school with its own swimming pool wins state, then so be it. The Highlands swimmers will know that they did everything within their powers to win but it didn't happen. A few months after they graduate, it doesn't matter anyway. This level playing field stuff, this everyone has to have the same "advantages" stuff sounds way too much like affirmative action reasoning to me. Which by the way I also disagree with if you couldn't have guessed.

Cry me a river.

 

Right back at you big guy.

 

You guys are the ones crying as much as anyone.

 

On BGP, the ones doing most of the whining and crying are the ones on the other side of the Prop 20 issue.

 

You'll devalue are state championships, boo hoo.

You guys don't work as hard as us, boo hoo.

You don't like us, boo hoo.

You're just jealous of us, boo hoo.

 

 

And the crying continues until it turns into a temper tantrum and all we are missing is the laying on the ground kicking and screaming.

So because you CHOSE to live in a place where there are clear disadvantages, you feel the need to change the rules for those who made a different (dare I say better) choice?

 

If you said better you would be sadly mistaken. You can take your cesspool of a city and keep it. I will stay right here and breath the fresh air.

 

BTW, the courts declared that an educational difference cannot be made throughout the state and educational opportunities must be equal or similar in nature. Educational opportunity in Louisville has to be similar or equal to educational opportunity in Elkhorn City.

 

It would be interesting to see where a lawsuit on athletics would fall in this regard.

 

I do believe it would not have the same result as the educational lawsuit from the early 90's because athletics is a privilege but it would be interesting to see what the result would be.

If you said better you would be sadly mistaken. You can take your cesspool of a city and keep it. I will stay right here and breath the fresh air.

Now, was that really necessary?

 

BTW, the courts declared that an educational difference cannot be made throughout the state and educational opportunities must be equal or similar in nature. Educational opportunity in Louisville has to be similar or equal to educational opportunity in Elkhorn City.

LBBC, you know that this has to be a stretch. I won't use Elkhorn City as an example, because I have absolutely no idea where it is or what is offered, or what school is represented there. I'll use Leitchfield, a community served by one high school for the entire county. I know that school. How is a county expected to offer in one school the opportunities offered in Louisville schools, due simply to the number of schools Louisville has? The magnet program doesn't exist in Leitchfield, but it is successful in Louisville, because of the number of schools and the efforts made to offer something for everyone. What it seems you're saying is that every school should be exactly the same, and there is no way I can agree with you on that. Maybe the same requirements for graduation, but those apply as well to private schools. Outside that, I don't see anything that says all schools must be similar or offer equal opportunities across the board.

 

It would be interesting to see where a lawsuit on athletics would fall in this regard.

It would be interesting, but like you, I don't see how a "law" can be applied to athletics, as they are an extracurricular activity, and not a requirement. What's required is that boys and girls sports be funded equatibly. Even that doesn't mean equally.

Now, was that really necessary?

 

LBBC, you know that this has to be a stretch. I won't use Elkhorn City as an example, because I have absolutely no idea where it is or what is offered, or what school is represented there. I'll use Leitchfield, a community served by one high school for the entire county. I know that school. How is a county expected to offer in one school the opportunities offered in Louisville schools, due simply to the number of schools Louisville has? The magnet program doesn't exist in Leitchfield, but it is successful in Louisville, because of the number of schools and the efforts made to offer something for everyone. What it seems you're saying is that every school should be exactly the same, and there is no way I can agree with you on that. Maybe the same requirements for graduation, but those apply as well to private schools. Outside that, I don't see anything that says all schools must be similar or offer equal opportunities across the board.

 

It would be interesting, but like you, I don't see how a "law" can be applied to athletics, as they are an extracurricular activity, and not a requirement. What's required is that boys and girls sports be funded equatibly. Even that doesn't mean equally.

 

Probably not. Between guru's rude comment and Chenoweth's arrogance, my temper probably got the best of me. I apologize for the rude comment to Ky's largest city.

 

The courts got involved in fastpitch and slowpitch debate. They ruled that KY female softball players were losing out in scholarship opportunities by only slow pitch being offered.

 

If someone in Leitchfield could show that their child is losing out on scholarshp opportunities because the KHSAA does not offer fair opportunities for all to participate in post season tournaments but the field is titled for the same old schools to always be there, it would not be too far of a stretch.

 

BTW, as always I always like debating this issue and others with you. You seem to truly consider what is on the other side of the coin. Others seem to just want to take the coin and put it in their pocket because they deserve it.

You'll devalue our state championships

TRUE.

 

You guys don't work as hard as us

Even more TRUE.

 

You don't like us

Obviously TRUE.

 

You're just jealous of us

In some cases, as this would seem to indicate, TRUE.

So because you CHOSE to live in a place where there are clear disadvantages, you feel the need to change the rules for those who made a different (dare I say better) choice?

Right on. If you want to live out in the middle of nowhere, you have to learn to accept all that comes with that choice -- both good and bad. You have to weigh the pros and cons and make your choice.

I think some are getting to worked up over this. The simple fact of the matter is that there are advantages to living in any given area, as well as disadvantages to said area.

 

I lived in a small city, and moved to a more rural area of the same county. In the city I have a better insurance rating due to the local fire department and saved money due that rating. In the county I have a rating that is not as good and pay a little more on my insurance due to that rating.

 

In the city I had better police coverage with a better response time, then the sheriff deputies do in the county.

 

In the city I had city taxes to pay for all those convinces. In the county I do not pay city taxes, but I decreased some of my services.

 

The school systems are the same way, for the most part. My children have went to Raceland from day one of there scholastic careers. But, I have never lived in the Raceland school district. I used to live in the Russell school district, my kids went to Raceland. I now live in the Greenup Co school district, my kids go to Raceland.

 

Greenup, the county of, has open enrollment. All the schools agreed to that. Sometimes Greenup Co benefits from it, sometimes Raceland benefits from it, sometimes Russell benefits from it. But, the kids benefit from it all the time.

 

I understand that some schools will not benefit from open enrollment as much as others, but the elusive level playing field does not exist. That is right, I said it, the level playing field does not exist. And it would be a terrible thing if it did. Every school in the state has some type of advantage over other schools in the state, weather it is a real advantage or a perceived advantage.

 

There are academic advantages, course selection advantage, class room size advantages, teacher to student ratio advantages, athletic advantages, extracurricular activity advantages, college prep advantages, religious advantages, and the list goes on.

 

My kids go to Raceland for the advantages that I see. Some may not see the same advantages. I like small schools, some people would say that small schools have a disadvantage.

 

Simple fact, parents do what they think is best for their children. Public/private, open enrollment/closed enrollment, urban/rural; there are always going to be differences.

 

I have a friend who let his high school age son leave a private christian based school to attend an independent school because the independent school offered culanary arts classes. His son wanted to be a chef. The private school did not offer such courses. Was that a good decision? I think so, because it benefited the student.

 

Do I get upset when schools break the rules? Yes. But, there is no level playing field. It's a mirage, it is Atlantis. There will always be differences in public school and private schools; open enrollment schools and closed enrollment schools; and urban and rural schools. You just have to decide what is more important to you and your family: being in a private school or being in a school with small classes or being in a rural school; or winning state championships.

 

You can have what you want, but you can't have it all.

It is amazing to me how this entire giant thread was completed without a single reference to the rule of law or free market principles. I am a public school parent. I will cheer for public schools and hope they do well. I admire private schools, one reason being that in my experience kids natural competetive fire leads them to strive for beating the best, which in this case in Kentucky in the here and now, are generally the private schools. I want my kid to beat the best.

 

It always amazes me that public school supporters, in money, in politics, and in other areas of their lives, are very "American" about competition, about beating the other guy, no matter the level of money in opposition, but when it comes to schooling they want to suspend reality and pretend like life has to be fair, like life has to be equal, that boy and girl kids should be unisex, that all families will have equal means and equal opportunity, and rather than be "American" about it and battle it out, they pass rules and regulations to restrict themselves and then complain with others don't. Its pitiful.

 

If you are at a loggerheads, go to court. The reason you don't is because you are afraid of what a court might say. That's un-American.

 

If a school can get grants and gifts to make private school education free, what a testament to the American free market system. Any other argument, of any kind, against that, is an argument of the have-nots complaining about the haves. That's all it is. Except I never hear that argument in Danville, Ft.Thomas, and other similar places where kids still have the fire to win against the odds.

 

And with that said, this thread has run its course.