So what is more humane? The method of execution or the fear of being sodomized and/or beaten and living in fear for your life every minute of every day for the rest of your life.

There is life...then there is SERVING life.

For me the 'inhumane' argument just does not stand up for these reasons.

If it is not within your power to give someone life, then it seems to me presumptuous to think you have the privilege to hand out death. That's how I feel about it anyway.

I guess I have always supported the death penalty. I don't really know why, just that I did. My thinking is that if someone murders my wife or children, I can think of no logical argument for them to live. I know it is all PC to say the death penalty doesn't deter crime, but it deters the crimes of those executed.

 

The thought you cannot be both pro-life and pro-death penalty, does not hold water to me. The difference is that in an abortion the life that was ended made no decision that would lead to ending their life, whereas the prisoner on death row did make a conscience decision to end another persons life.

I guess I have always supported the death penalty. I don't really know why, just that I did. My thinking is that if someone murders my wife or children, I can think of no logical argument for them to live. I know it is all PC to say the death penalty doesn't deter crime, but it deters the crimes of those executed.

 

The thought you cannot be both pro-life and pro-death penalty, does not hold water to me. The difference is that in an abortion the life that was ended made no decision that would lead to ending their life, whereas the prisoner on death row did make a conscience decision to end another persons life.

 

The death penalty does deter the crimes of the person who is being executed, but so would life in prison.

The death penalty does deter the crimes of the person who is being executed, but so would life in prison.

 

No not really, ask any prison guard about "Lifers". They have nothing to loose and staff are more at risk by these prisoners than others. They continue to create havoc in the prison system in a lot of cases. Killing other prisoners and attacking staff.

 

 

"If?" lethal injection is inhumane then look at it this way, it only hurts for a minute.

No not really, ask any prison guard about "Lifers". They have nothing to loose and staff are more at risk by these prisoners than others. They continue to create havoc in the prison system in a lot of cases. Killing other prisoners and attacking staff.

 

 

"If?" lethal injection is inhumane then look at it this way, it only hurts for a minute.

 

So does being burnt alive...

 

I've always found it ironic that most of those who are so adamently against abortion (which I am) because people shouldn't be able to play God and kill unborn babies, like to decide who and why certain people deserve to be put to death... It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Its not like any of those who kill will escape from jail, so the only reason for the death penalty is for revenge...

So does being burnt alive...

 

I've always found it ironic that most of those who are so adamantly against abortion (which I am) because people shouldn't be able to play God and kill unborn babies, like to decide who and why certain people deserve to be put to death... It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Its not like any of those who kill will escape from jail, so the only reason for the death penalty is for revenge...

 

There have actually been several Death row escapes over the years. Virginia, Texas and Georgia all had some in the last few years. (Google it if you want)

 

I have no problem with them being burnt :fire: I just don't think they should have to wait. If you maliciously kill another human being, then you should go to the front of the line going to the furnace in the underworld.

 

In all seriousness I have more concern for those that would have to carry out the death sentence than I do for the prisoners. I too would have a moral issue with sentencing someone to die if I were on a jury and would have to live with that decision for the rest of my life as well. However there are many scenarios in which I would fully support that decision and could agree to the death sentence. If I had any doubt in my own mind, not of the guilt but of the intent then I could not sentence someone to die.

I guess I have always supported the death penalty. I don't really know why, just that I did. My thinking is that if someone murders my wife or children, I can think of no logical argument for them to live. I know it is all PC to say the death penalty doesn't deter crime, but it deters the crimes of those executed.

 

The thought you cannot be both pro-life and pro-death penalty, does not hold water to me. The difference is that in an abortion the life that was ended made no decision that would lead to ending their life, whereas the prisoner on death row did make a conscience decision to end another persons life.

Two things: First of all, if your wife or children murdered someone, would you want them to be put to death for their crime? I know in my case, I sure wouldn't, but I guess you would to remain consistent.

 

Secondly, the whole "they made their choice" argument. We aren't God, we don't know who deserves Word Filter ViolationWord Filter ViolationWord Filter ViolationWord Filter Violationation and who deserves salvation. But you are playing it there, if you say "well, this person didn't deserve to die, but this person did." Seems like a hypocritical stance...

No not really, ask any prison guard about "Lifers". They have nothing to loose and staff are more at risk by these prisoners than others. They continue to create havoc in the prison system in a lot of cases. Killing other prisoners and attacking staff.

 

 

"If?" lethal injection is inhumane then look at it this way, it only hurts for a minute.

I agree that the death penalty is necessary with an inmate who attacks other prisoners and guards. As I said before, I only find capital punishment needed when society has no other resources to protect the criminal from his fellow Americans. But in large part, this country has the resources.

 

Another thing, I almost feel like the firing squad is more humane then lethal injection. Are they concerned with its inhumanity in terms of on the prisoner, or on those watching the execution? I feel like if I were to support to death penalty, I would be more for the firing squad, because the prisoner dies quicker AND the site of it for a prospective criminal would be more deterring.

So does being burnt alive...

 

I've always found it ironic that most of those who are so adamently against abortion (which I am) because people shouldn't be able to play God and kill unborn babies, like to decide who and why certain people deserve to be put to death... It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Its not like any of those who kill will escape from jail, so the only reason for the death penalty is for revenge...

 

IMO, that is a very poor comparison. There are many instances shown in the bible where the Lord encourages ritcheous indignation. Killling the unborn is never compared to justice by death in the bible. There is a big difference between death as a penalty, and murdering the unborn. That is to say, the God had shown the death penalty to be a ritcheous punishment in many parts of the bible.

Two things: First of all, if your wife or children murdered someone, would you want them to be put to death for their crime? I know in my case, I sure wouldn't, but I guess you would to remain consistent.

I would not want my wife or child put to death as would no one would. I am sure Ted Bundy's mom wished he had lived as well, this is a horrible comparison to make, asking if I would want my child to die. If my child was a sociopath and had murdered one or many, I would still love them. I would also understand the feelings of those that thought they should be put to death.

 

 

Secondly, the whole "they made their choice" argument. We aren't God, we don't know who deserves :fire: and who deserves salvation.

I agree we are not God. There is nothing stopping someone from making their peace with God, for God is the only one that can truly forgive our sins and give any of us everlasting peace.

But you are playing it there, if you say "well, this person didn't deserve to die, but this person did." Seems like a hypocritical stance...

I think intent has a lot to do with my feelings on the death penalty. Not sure where you think I am being hypocritical unless you are talking about my feelings on abortion (which I do support in some cases).

I agree that the death penalty is necessary with an inmate who attacks other prisoners and guards. As I said before, I only find capital punishment needed when society has no other resources to protect the criminal from his fellow Americans. But in large part, this country has the resources.

So the death penalty is OK with you if they kill another prisoner? Why not just lock them up in solitary 24/7? If some one kills your grandma he goes to prison, but if someone then kills him in prison that person deserves the death penalty? Now who is being hypocritical?

Another thing, I almost feel like the firing squad is more humane then lethal injection. Are they concerned with its inhumanity in terms of on the prisoner, or on those watching the execution? I feel like if I were to support to death penalty, I would be more for the firing squad, because the prisoner dies quicker AND the site of it for a prospective criminal would be more deterring

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If they put it on HBO or pay per view :thumb:

No not really, ask any prison guard about "Lifers". They have nothing to loose and staff are more at risk by these prisoners than others. They continue to create havoc in the prison system in a lot of cases. Killing other prisoners and attacking staff.

 

 

"If?" lethal injection is inhumane then look at it this way, it only hurts for a minute.

 

There are rapists, murderers, and child molesters in prison that are not on death row. They may be in for life with no parole or something like that...

 

Are you saying all death row inmates are worse than all other inmates? I find that hard to believe.

 

Another thing, I almost feel like the firing squad is more humane then lethal injection. Are they concerned with its inhumanity in terms of on the prisoner, or on those watching the execution? I feel like if I were to support to death penalty, I would be more for the firing squad, because the prisoner dies quicker AND the site of it for a prospective criminal would be more deterring.

 

Even when we used the chair, the death penalty has never really been a good deterrent. Statistics show that violent crimes are not affected if the death penalty is outlawed.

IMO, that is a very poor comparison. There are many instances shown in the bible where the Lord encourages ritcheous indignation. Killling the unborn is never compared to justice by death in the bible. There is a big difference between death as a penalty, and murdering the unborn. That is to say, the God had shown the death penalty to be a ritcheous punishment in many parts of the bible.

 

And there are many instances when God chose not to execute someone.

 

He did not give the death penalty to:

 

Cain (banished him from community but allowed him a continued life and family).

 

David (he stayed king and the only one who suffered death was the innocent child his adultery conceived).

 

Moses murdered and still God chose him to lead the children of Israel.

 

There are just as many instances of God choosing life over death than the death penalty for the guilty. :thumb:

Even when we used the chair, the death penalty has never really been a good deterrent. Statistics show that violent crimes are not affected if the death penalty is outlawed.

 

Agreed. I was just saying if I was in support of the death penalty (which I am only for certain cases) than I would almost prefer the firing squad, although I have not given that much thought to it.

I would not want my wife or child put to death as would no one would. I am sure Ted Bundy's mom wished he had lived as well, this is a horrible comparison to make, asking if I would want my child to die. If my child was a sociopath and had murdered one or many, I would still love them. I would also understand the feelings of those that thought they should be put to death.

 

 

 

I agree we are not God. There is nothing stopping someone from making their peace with God, for God is the only one that can truly forgive our sins and give any of us everlasting peace.

 

I think intent has a lot to do with my feelings on the death penalty. Not sure where you think I am being hypocritical unless you are talking about my feelings on abortion (which I do support in some cases).

So the death penalty is OK with you if they kill another prisoner? Why not just lock them up in solitary 24/7? If some one kills your grandma he goes to prison, but if someone then kills him in prison that person deserves the death penalty? Now who is being hypocritical?

If they put it on HBO or pay per view :thumb:

1. I know you feel that someone deserves the death penalty if that person murdered your family. But if one of your relatives murdered a different family, then would you support the death penalty? This is where I believe that your position is hypocritical.

 

2. Agreed that God is the only one that can truly forgive sins and grant us everlasting life. I also believe that God is the only person who should have the power to grant life and to take it away, especially when the criteria is the human idea of what decisions they made.

 

3. I agree, that people should be locked up 24/7. The only time I support the death penalty is when, even in 24/7, society does not have the resources to protect society from the criminal. It is not hypocritical, it is as objective as any stance. And as a society, we have the resources (on top of the fact that it would be financially better, due to large amounts of appeals by people on death row).