February 5, 200818 yr Little off there Camel. Privates can offer tuition assistance to those students attending. Independents cannot offer tuition assistance. Yes, but look at the total cost to student for tuition to a public and compare that tuition to a private. Couple that with an open area to draw your attendance, and there is no advantage.
February 5, 200818 yr Little off there Camel. Privates can offer tuition assistance to those students attending. Independents cannot offer tuition assistance. Are we sure they can't legally? We'd agree that it would be a bad thing in practice, but if that system has the avaliable funds, is there a KY law that forbids it?
February 5, 200818 yr Little off there Camel. Privates can offer tuition assistance to those students attending. Independents cannot offer tuition assistance. Is there a rule/law/guideline that says independents CAN NOT offer tuition assistance? There's a big difference between CAN NOT and DO NOT. This has become a lynch pin of you arguments lately and I want to know if it's just another self imposed limitation.
February 5, 200818 yr Is there a rule/law/guideline that says independents CAN NOT offer tuition assistance? There's a big difference between CAN NOT and DO NOT. This has become a lynch pin of you arguments lately and I want to know if it's just another self imposed limitation. I would defer to one of the lawyers on here on whether there is a law preventing it. Whether there is a law or not, it would not work to take tax dollars from a district and give it to someone that is not paying tax dollars to that district. Also, wouldn't work to give tax dollars to an out of district student when funding to schools are being cut.
February 5, 200818 yr No body is saying anything about tax dollars. I'm talking about funds collected solely for finincial aid through donations and then distributed based on need determined by a third party. Another question, when students enroll at a public schools and pay tuition are they paying the FULL COST of their education? If not then aren't tax dollars from one district in effect being used to pay for a student from outside the district?
February 5, 200818 yr No body is saying anything about tax dollars. I'm talking about funds collected solely for finincial aid through donations and then distributed based on need determined by a third party. Another question, when students enroll at a public schools and pay tuition are they paying the FULL COST of their education? If not then aren't tax dollars from one district in effect being used to pay for a student from outside the district? Each district can set up the amount how they see fit so there is no uniformed way. My thoughts would be if the ADA money that the state provides is $30 a day per student, it would be the number of days in the school year X $30. That should be the tuition rate. NOT saying the ADA rate is $30 a day, just picked a number. Not sure what it is. The problem with your first paragraph is that the charge of the local school district is to educate the students in their community. THey would be disregarding the state mandate for them as a school district.
February 5, 200818 yr But state ADA funds are not the only tax dollars that fund schools. I know that there is a Jefferson County School Tax withheld from my paycheck and from my property taxes on my home and automobile and I would assume most counties have the same. If tuition is based solely on ADA money then aren't the school districts in effect using tax dollars (withholding taxes) to provide financial aid for those out of district students by not charging them the full cost of their education? State mandate or mission has no bearing on my first paragraph. All I'm asking is CAN a school or school district use private raised funds to assist tuition costs of needy students that attend their school on a tuition basis? Based on your past arguments it would seem that a school that takes students on a tuition basis have already gone against their state mandate, so how would that mandate have anything to do with if that school could offer financial aid or not?
February 5, 200818 yr But state ADA funds are not the only tax dollars that fund schools. I know that there is a Jefferson County School Tax withheld from my paycheck and from my property taxes on my home and automobile and I would assume most counties have the same. If tuition is based solely on ADA money then aren't the school districts in effect using tax dollars (withholding taxes) to provide financial aid for those out of district students by not charging them the full cost of their education? State mandate or mission has no bearing on my first paragraph. All I'm asking is CAN a school or school district use private raised funds to assist tuition costs of needy students that attend their school on a tuition basis? Based on your past arguments it would seem that a school that takes students on a tuition basis have already gone against their state mandate, so how would that mandate have anything to do with if that school could offer financial aid or not? I would believe that if it is given to the districts than it goes into a certain account than there are guidelines on what that money can be used for. For example, only certain pots of money can be used for buying textbooks. You might have a whole bunch of money for construction and no textbooks but you can't use that construction money to buy textbooks, so you do without textbooks. You could build a new athletic field though.:irked: You ask a good question. I kinda thought that the ADA money was what it took to educate the child while the local money pays for the other things that it costs to operate a school district. The athletic funds, facilities, maintenance, etc, etc.
February 7, 200818 yr As far as I can tell, LCA was fined for "whatever" you want to call it. No matter which school, public/private, titles should've been taken and playoffs suspended for upcoming year. I enjoy the rivalry between Raceland/LCA. I would hate to lose that. KHSAA should check each schools rosters and check eligibility with every new enrollment that includes athletics. The cartoon was funny, it was the M/C commercial--Priceless. Just my thoughts.
February 20, 200818 yr The Cartoon is great and both men need rewarded for doing it. Private schools have an unfair advantage. I am sorry but we need to split the state in two and have Private and Public. This will stop all the bickering.
February 20, 200818 yr The Cartoon is great and both men need rewarded for doing it. Private schools have an unfair advantage. I am sorry but we need to split the state in two and have Private and Public. This will stop all the bickering. From another thread, the list of schools with KHSAA violations in recent years: 1. Hopkinsville 2. Lex Cath 3. Moore 4. Prestonsburg 5. Johnson Central 6. Holy Cross 7. Rose Hill 8. Highlands 9. Henderson County 10. North Laurel 11. UHA 12. Henry Clay 13. Tates Creek 14. Elizabethtown 15. Whitesburg 16. Marshall County 17. Lexington Christian 18. Bell County 19. Danville 20. Jeffersontown 21. Cumberland The majority of the schools on the list are Publics. If you split out the Privates, the Publics will only have each other to be "bickering" with.
February 20, 200818 yr From another thread, the list of schools with KHSAA violations in recent years: 1. Hopkinsville 2. Lex Cath 3. Moore 4. Prestonsburg 5. Johnson Central 6. Holy Cross 7. Rose Hill 8. Highlands 9. Henderson County 10. North Laurel 11. UHA 12. Henry Clay 13. Tates Creek 14. Elizabethtown 15. Whitesburg 16. Marshall County 17. Lexington Christian 18. Bell County 19. Danville 20. Jeffersontown 21. Cumberland The majority of the schools on the list are Publics. If you split out the Privates, the Publics will only have each other to be "bickering" with. Did the public schools pay tuition for an athlete to play for them? It is comparing apples to oranges Public schools try to persuade kids to move or whatever but they dont pay tuition.
February 21, 200818 yr Did the public schools pay tuition for an athlete to play for them? It is comparing apples to oranges Public schools try to persuade kids to move or whatever but they dont pay tuition. If the form of persuasion is against the rules, then we are comparing apples to apples, violation to violation. Unless, of course, you are proposing separation of all schools that have been found in violation from those that have not. You could form a pretty strong football class from the schools in this list.
February 21, 200818 yr From another thread, the list of schools with KHSAA violations in recent years: 1. Hopkinsville 2. Lex Cath 3. Moore 4. Prestonsburg 5. Johnson Central 6. Holy Cross 7. Rose Hill 8. Highlands 9. Henderson County 10. North Laurel 11. UHA 12. Henry Clay 13. Tates Creek 14. Elizabethtown 15. Whitesburg 16. Marshall County 17. Lexington Christian 18. Bell County 19. Danville 20. Jeffersontown 21. Cumberland The majority of the schools on the list are Publics. If you split out the Privates, the Publics will only have each other to be "bickering" with. It is true that the majority were publics. However, 5 of the 21 or right at 1/4 are privates. Do privates make up 1/4 of all the schools in the state? Not even close so then a greater percentage of all privates were guilty of KHSAA violations--correct?
February 21, 200818 yr It is true that the majority were publics. However, 5 of the 21 or right at 1/4 are privates. Do privates make up 1/4 of all the schools in the state? Not even close so then a greater percentage of all privates were guilty of KHSAA violations--correct? True. I was just pointing out that violations are not ONLY a Private issue, as many would like to contend. Also, IMO, Privates come under greater scrutiny than Publics, making them more likely to be found in violation. (I am not denying that violations were committed or that punishment was deserved. I am just saying that if Publics were held under the microscope the way Privates are, there MIGHT be a higher percentage of Publics on the list than there already is.)
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