Elliott County 75 East Carter 74

[hoops_gal]

To start, I am not from Elliott county, but have seen several of their games, I also was at the East Carter and Elliott game last night. The game was very tight most of the game, however I did observe Coach Mays useing three of his bench in the first half and in the second half periodically, so to say he does'nt use his bench is unjustified.

 

I also agree with "bball jones61st" post as to the refs in the 16th region failing to make calls when the Ferguson kid gets totally clobbered. I too think that the refs let this happen intentionally for some reason. Could it be because they have a vendetta with some of his family, if so this is very unethical behavior for any adult, much less an official to penalize a child for something someone else may or may not have done. That being said East Carter seemed to come prepared for Elliott and played a very good game. It seemed when Baker went to the score table for some reason and stopped the game for about 5 minutes he changed the momentum of the game, not sure how much Elliott was ahead at that time, but was around 15 points, and the tide turned to East from that time forward. I personally thought that was the purpose for his delaying the game, because Elliott was on a roll untill that happened. Not sure what the stoppage was for, but the refs should not let things like this happen especially for that long. When you are hot you are hot and stoppages can take that away.:fire:

 

There's no way for you to know his intention, so it's just speculation. And, if it comes to a coaching contest, I know who I'm taking in that one!

[hootscoot]

I was at the game and I didn't see any plays where Ferguson got "clobbered" and there was no call. Ferguson is well known around the region for "flopping" after a 3 point shot. He use to get the foul call from the officials but now most officials are wize to the "flop". Not to take anything away from Ferguson - he is a very good player and IMO the best 3 point shooter is the area but I don't believe the officials missed any calls involving him. If anyone got "clobbered" it was East Carter's Drew Johnson. IMO he had several "and one's" that were not called. Also a no call when Johnson went down hard after collision with Chris Knipp. As for Coach Baker stopping the game I believe it was the officials that stopped play. First occassion was a controversy regarding team fouls - scorekeeper had East Carter with 7 team fouls and let Elliott shoot 1 and 1 when East really only had 6 team fouls and second time was regarding two Elliott players in book with same number. IMO the officials missed calls on both ends but IMO it did not affect the outcome of the game.

 

If scorekeeper stopped game why was Baker standing at the scorekeepers table before the game was stopped? I personally was not referring to Fergusons 3 point shots, but the clobbering he took inside.:ylsuper:

[BogeyMan]

Agree outcome was not affected. Completely disagree on ferguson, and not on the 3-pointers. He gets killed when he goes to the basket.

[BogeyMan]

Few observations of some posts in this thread:

As for Ferguson not getting the benefit of the whistle, I truly hope you are not serious.

Johnson(East) would love to get the same whistle some other players in this region get

 

As for Baker being at the scorers table, the officials stopped the game and any coach

would want to know what is going on: the official scorebook was the reason for play

stoppage so she hurt your momentum.

 

BogeyMan you need to see more games throughout the region and check out the other 16th region coaches.

 

I have seen every coach in the region. I stand by my earlier post. Hicks is a close second on whining, but the clear winner on all around fits!

[The Hammer]

I was at the game and I didn't see any plays where Ferguson got "clobbered" and there was no call.

 

You must have had your head turned and missed them. There was about 3 times tht he was fouled very hard and it wasn't called. I'm not just saying this about the game against East, but this happens every game. If the reason is that the refs have something against a member of his family, that's a shame. I could say nothing positive about an adult who would take this out on a kid. That's very sad. Do the job you are paid to do!!!!

[spindoc]

You must have had your head turned and missed them. There was about 3 times tht he was fouled very hard and it wasn't called. I'm not just saying this about the game against East, but this happens every game. If the reason is that the refs have something against a member of his family, that's a shame. I could say nothing positive about an adult who would take this out on a kid. That's very sad. Do the job you are paid to do!!!!

 

Are you really insinuating that an official holds a grudge against a kid because of a family deal? Are you sure you really want to go there? Can't you just say congratulations to the opponent? Does there have to be an excuse that a team plays well versus your team? I watch these threads on Elliott and I really like to watch those boys, they are terrific, but it sure does seem that in the losses (as well as this close game) that there are always a bounty of excuses. I sure hope they don't stumble on the way to Rupp and accidentaly not make it, we may see BGP melt from the number of posts to explain it away.

[BogeyMan]

I have not read that this was an excuse. Just a comment on the game. East played a great game and almost pulled it off. Elliott won the game and no excuses are being made for the score. I am sure that the Elliott staff is happy to have survived this one and will address some of the shot selection problems that occurred at crucial times in the game. If any of my posts were interpreted as an excuse, then I apologize. That kid needs no excuses made for him here after he scored 22 against some of the best defense I have seen this year. He is a strong player and he does take a beating during games around the basket.

[BogeyMan]

few observations of some posts in this thread:

as for ferguson not getting the benefit of the whistle, i truly hope you are not serious.

johnson(east) would love to get the same whistle some other players in this region get

 

as for baker being at the scorers table, the officials stopped the game and any coach

would want to know what is going on: the official scorebook was the reason for play

stoppage so she hurt your momentum

 

bogey man you need to see more games throughout the region and check out the other 16th region coaches

 

From reading the update posts you were not at this game, so I am not real sure about how you can attack my post.:madman:

[eastfan]

You must have had your head turned and missed them. There was about 3 times tht he was fouled very hard and it wasn't called. I'm not just saying this about the game against East, but this happens every game. If the reason is that the refs have something against a member of his family, that's a shame. I could say nothing positive about an adult who would take this out on a kid. That's very sad. Do the job you are paid to do!!!!

 

I didn't miss anything. There were missed calls on both ends but to imply that Ferguson was 'clobbered' and there was no call is simply not accurate. East Carter played very good defense last night and there may have been some contact that wasn't called but I didn't see it as being 'clobbered'. Also it didn't appear that the officials intentionally missed any calls involving Ferguson. Elliott Co. and East Carter both have great kids in their programs and both are very competitive. No doubt Elliott Co. is on top of the 16th region right now but it looks like East Carter is closing the gap quickly.

[hootscoot]

I didn't miss anything. There were missed calls on both ends but to imply that Ferguson was 'clobbered' and there was no call is simply not accurate. East Carter played very good defense last night and there may have been some contact that wasn't called but I didn't see it as being 'clobbered'. Also it didn't appear that the officials intentionally missed any calls involving Ferguson. Elliott Co. and East Carter both have great kids in their programs and both are very competitive. No doubt Elliott Co. is on top of the 16th region right now but it looks like East Carter is closing the gap quickly.

 

The original post about Ferguson takeing a beating was from "bball jones61st" post #33, if you will read his post you will see that he was not only talking about last nights game with East, but two other games he had observed in the 16th region. To those who have observed many games Ferguson has played in the 16th region most will acknowledge very few calls are made when he gets clobbered. Wheather the refs are venting their animosity toward him I do not know, however I do know that he takes a beating without calls in the 16th region, which makes it appear that the refs have a vendetta of some kind. You did acknowledge some contact that was not called veryifying the post that he is getting hammered.:confused:

[Lion Mania]

There are no undefeated teams in KY HS Boy's B-Ball and only 5 teams with one loss: Elliott County 15-1, Bryan Station 15-1, Holmes 14-1, Male 12-1, and LaRue County 12-1.

 

There are however 20 teams with perfect region records, but Elliott County is the only one to have played more than 8 region games at 11-0 in the region.

Pineville is 8-0, Five teams are 7-0, Four teams are 6-0, Three teams are 5-0 Four Teams are 4-0, and two teams are 3-0.

 

Just showing our tuff KY HS Basketball is and if you finish a season with only 3-5 losses including one region loss then you've had a tremendous season.

[UKBasketball]

 

Elliott did shoot the bonus 1 foul early, but missed and East got the rebound, so nothing came of it. I have maintained that East plays the best defense in the region and they showed it last night. They were also well prepared and made adjustments to handle the press. The guards were effective ball handlers with only 13 team turnovers, and they controlled the boards. This game should serve as a wake up call to Elliott's fans and players. The rest of the region will not roll over and play dead for them. However, Elliott played a good floor game with only 11 turnovers. Free throw shooting was horrible and almost cost them the game. Rebounding was also weak. Timmy Knipp played well offensively and blocked several shots, but he needs to assert himself as a rebounder. East played very physical with Ferguson and the Faulkners and they still put up good numbers. Those kids refuse to lose. Elliott missed Chris Knipp most of the second half, apparently due to an ankle injury. As for the officials...they were consistently bad on both ends and it took away from a great game. Brandon Baker is an excellent coach and had his team well prepared. He also must whine to the officials more than any coach in the Region.

 

 

So you're saying its alright to cheat, as long as nothing comes out of it?

[FishTie]

This talk of a personal vendetta against a player due to a family member is absolute trash. I think Sportsfan of KY would admit to having a pretty cordial relationship with most of the top tier officials in the 16th.

[spindoc]

This one has more than run it's course.