I agree with you here many of the things that happen today also went on in the past but few knew about it. The media, internet, etc... has made the world a small place, which IMO is not all bad. You being older than electricity makes you pretty old.

 

:mad:....ok :lol:

Kids can't stand to be corrected, parents never think their kids do any wrong and coaches are never wrong (EVER) and think everyone is out to get them. There are equal amounts of blame to go around IMO. Kids need to learn to accept criticism, parents need to butt out and realize they have to hold their kids accountable and Coaches need to quit crying and thinking they are the ones with all the answers and quit blaming their problems on others. Just be consistent because there are many who aren't. All 3 parties need to step back and look in the mirror. No one is perfect even if some think they are.

 

I agree with what you are saying as well and I also agree with what many are saying about us not knowing about players quitting in the past. Look back though and look at the number of kids that played and you would think more kids would be playing now, but they aren't.

I think that kids quit alot these days but I also think you here about it more now a days as well making it seem more prevelant. Coaches and fans today even in high school sports are always promoting and pointing out their program and kids, media and fans also point out the bad things such as quitting making it seem more prevelant.

I am not a big fan of quitters either but it happened in my house. My daughter did the whole basketball thing through grade/middle school. She wanted to play in highschool so for the summer prior to her freshman year she did all the camps/training/conditioning that they had, did try outs made the team. All well and good I thought. What I did not know was that the coach had pretty much told her she would never be a very good basketball player and would probably sit the bench most of her career, although letting her "make the team". She agreed to stay on the team and told the coach she wanted to play. She knew my rules in my house and practically was in tears after every practice and would not tell me. That is unusual for her and I, pretty open honest realtionship between us, she just did not want to disappoint me. She told my best friend how it was and she wanted to quit, this was the only time I agreed with her. If coaches have a player that they know do not have the talent, why keep them? Maybe this was an isolated incident but never really understood why she just wasn't cut...

I totally agree players should be on a team to play and help the teaM , NOT TO BE USED AS A PRACTICE PERSON! Use them or ........ don't let them on the team.

Kids can't stand to be corrected, parents never think their kids do any wrong and coaches are never wrong (EVER) and think everyone is out to get them. There are equal amounts of blame to go around IMO. Kids need to learn to accept criticism, parents need to butt out and realize they have to hold their kids accountable and Coaches need to quit crying and thinking they are the ones with all the answers and quit blaming their problems on others. Just be consistent because there are many who aren't. All 3 parties need to step back and look in the mirror. No one is perfect even if some think they are.

 

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Kids can't stand to be corrected, parents never think their kids do any wrong and coaches are never wrong (EVER) and think everyone is out to get them. There are equal amounts of blame to go around IMO. Kids need to learn to accept criticism, parents need to butt out and realize they have to hold their kids accountable and Coaches need to quit crying and thinking they are the ones with all the answers and quit blaming their problems on others. Just be consistent because there are many who aren't. All 3 parties need to step back and look in the mirror. No one is perfect even if some think they are.

 

Amen.

I totally agree players should be on a team to play and help the teaM , NOT TO BE USED AS A PRACTICE PERSON! Use them or ........ don't let them on the team.

 

 

That is basically what the JV team is, and most become better players because of it. It is really up to the kid, if the Coach is honest and tells them they will not see a lot of playing time on Varsity or JV and the kid wants to remain on the team then more power to them. However, hopefully they have relayed this to their parents so there are not unrealistic expectations.

 

Sometimes the person works hard enough and earns some time, however many times the parents become angry that they are not playing and it makes the player unhappy so they quit.

 

Practice players are an integral part of any program, basketball, volleyball tennis etc. It should make the "team" better and give the person an opportunity to enhance their skills also. So in a way the Coach is using them, just not during the games.

 

Everyone has a role, just like in real life. Accepting that and being happy for the Team is a step to growing up. If they can not accept that they quit.

 

Their have been many times that practice players work hard and then earn starting time as a Senior.

Much of what has been said is very true I am sure, but it seems to be a foregone conclusion that kids should "tough it out no matter what". Coaches demand a lot now a days, just like in the past, but with today's fast paced game, perhaps more then before in some respects. Kids are told that basketball is their #1 focus, it's their job, etc.

Most of us are older and been working for years. What do you do when you have a boss who's a jerk, who makes the wrong decision every time, who favors a co-worker for raises and promotions because of who he's related to or who he knows? If at all possible you quit with a big splash and walk away (If you can afford to do so money wise). Well, the pay for playing high school ball ain't all that much!

I'm just saying, sometimes kids, and smart kids at that, say "enough is enough".

I totally agree players should be on a team to play and help the team , NOT TO BE USED AS A PRACTICE PERSON! Use them or ........ don't let them on the team.

Not every player, is Varsity ready or capable of sustaining competition. JV and Freshman programs exist, to allow for development.

 

Everyone on a Varsity team playing, is not conducive to having a productive team, unless they can contribute. There certainly will be times, when they can play but never place a player in to fail, without a chance to also succeed, from time to time.

One of the biggest issues is the number of social things the kids have an opportunity to do.

 

When I was growing up, I wanted out of the house, I needed to be on a team. Now the kids are gone and doing things all over the place.

 

And being a part of a team requires/demands a huge time and work ethic commitment and as much out of season as in season.

 

I have seen kids quit to have jobs to raise money to pay for the car insurance and payment.

 

I have seen kids quit because it interfered with their social time and ability to do what they want to do.

 

I have seen kids with minimal rules at home balk when they have rules on the team. They don't have to abide by the rules anywhere else, why at school and on the team?

 

 

I agree with LLBC. When I was growing up, school sports was all the extra-cirricular activity available. Parents didn't have the extra cash to fund other social activities like they do today. And there are loads of social activity out there other than sports for our kids to enjoy now. (My father would not like my saying that, God rest his soul). Sports take an incredible amount of time each evening and some kids may just have other interests besides basketball, football and baseball/softball.

 

Also, in KY we have this KERA system in place that promotes self-esteem. It teaches kids that yelling and getting angry are not the correct way to behave. Then they make a team where yelling and anger "build character" etc. I can see where kids of today would find that confusing. Don't get me wrong: I feel it is vitally important for kids to learn to work as a team. It is an important life lesson to learn.

My parents (mostly my dad) tells me that, if you're going to quit, then don't try it at all. Because once you're labeled a quitter, no one will trust you ever again. They will always think you're going to quit on them. Once you quit on something, you quit on yourself, team, school, and community.

My parents(mostly my dad) tells me if your going to quit then dont try it at all. Because once your labled a quitter noone will trust you ever again. They will always think your going to quit on them. ONce you quit on something, you quit on yourself, team, school, and community.

 

Good for your DAD!!! Sounds like he's instilled valuable long lasting values!

Yeah, I geuss it is good for my dad. :confused:

Coach Ken Shields would periodically go, player by player, down the entire JV-V roster and tell each player EXACTLY what they needed to do to earn more playing time. Out in the open-above board for all to hear. If you didn't like it...work on it! It really nipped alot of sniping in the butt!