Glass Ceiling?

[jimmyref]

First of all, congrats to Trinity in winning the first 6A championship in football. But as I read the rankings of other top comparable programs in other states, does having Trinity as the top team in Kentucky provide a glass ceiling for the rest of the teams in Kentucky?

For example, do the people in Ohio view all teams in Kentucky to be less than Trinity even though Highlands went 15-0 but since Cincinnati St X beat Trinity and Highlands is in a lower division than Trinity then Highlands isn't as highly regarded across the river? I know the comments were made of a 5-5 LaSalle beating Henry Clay backed up those claims.

 

Do the teams in Tennessee view less of the Ky schools because of Montgomery Bell's wins over Trinity? So in 2006 if Male had completed their trek to the state final, would Male be viewed regionally and nationally on par with MBA?

 

Trinity finished the final polls at 23rd in the USA Today poll as the only 2 loss team in the Top 25. Would Kentucky been served better if a different outcome in the final would of put a team in the top 15, maybe top 10 in the nation? Would that allowed some consideration to have gone to Highlands at 15-0?

 

Your thoughts?

[theguru]

And LaSalle didn't even make the playoffs...

 

I think most Ohio coaches look at KY teams as nothing more than Harbin Cows.

 

The problem with football in KY is most of the larger public schools greatly underachieve.

 

This is no knock on Highlands because they had a fine football team but they played up two classes and crunched everyone in their class. In my opinion that fact borders on embarrassment.

[CentreRocks]

I kind of see it another way, that is Trinity, through its runs in the late 80's and from 2000- present has put Kentucky football on the map nationally to a greater extent. I think that can only help other programs garner exposure when they defeat Trinity.

 

Along those lines, there's no doubt Trinity was enhanced by its close loss to top 5 Cincy X.

 

If Trotwood Madison had a better year, Highlands would have been given more consideration. I do believe Ohio views all teams in Kentucky to be less than Trinity. The question though, is are they incorrect?

 

From the Ohio guys I've talked to the past few years (Moeller, Elder, X), they don't give HHS much credit because (I believe) HHS has never beaten a GCL school.

[theguru]

One of the other differences in Ohio is year in and year out there are probably 5 to 10 schools in Ohio in D3 (Highlands' class in Ohio) that are around the same skill level as Highlands. My point is, when you look at Highlands from an Ohio perspective you say they are a great team but there are many others like them and better (larger schools) than them in Ohio.

[CentreRocks]

Trinity finished the final polls at 23rd in the USA Today poll as the only 2 loss team in the Top 25. Would Kentucky been served better if a different outcome in the final would of put a team in the top 15, maybe top 10 in the nation? Would that allowed some consideration to have gone to Highlands at 15-0?

 

Your thoughts?

 

I think it is a great testament to Kentucky football that the highest ranked 2 loss team in the country hails from our little Commonwealth.

[PepRock01]

Wasn't St.X nationally ranked after the 2004 season and Male in 2000?

[strongopenyon]

I kind of see it another way, that is Trinity, through its runs in the late 80's and from 2000- present has put Kentucky football on the map nationally to a greater extent. I think that can only help other programs garner exposure when they defeat Trinity.

 

Along those lines, there's no doubt Trinity was enhanced by its close loss to top 5 Cincy X.

 

If Trotwood Madison had a better year, Highlands would have been given more consideration. I do believe Ohio views all teams in Kentucky to be less than Trinity. The question though, is are they incorrect?

 

From the Ohio guys I've talked to the past few years (Moeller, Elder, X), they don't give HHS much credit because (I believe) HHS has never beaten a GCL school.

A 47-31 game is not a close game in my opinion.

 

Trinity is dominant in Kentucky high school football. The point is, Trinity would be a well-coached, middle of the road team if they competed in other states including Ohio.

 

I have said all along that Ohio football is light years better than Kentucky football. Throughout history, scores between Kentucky teams and Ohio teams strongly support this opinion.

 

I honestly feel like LaSalle, who went 5-5 in the GCL this season, might have won the Kentucky 6A championship this season had they competed in this state.

[PepRock01]

A 47-31 game is not a close game in my opinion.

 

Trinity is dominant in Kentucky high school football. The point is, Trinity would be a well-coached, middle of the road team if they competed in other states including Ohio.

 

I have said all along that Ohio football is light years better than Kentucky football. Throughout history, scores between Kentucky teams and Ohio teams strongly support this opinion.

 

I honestly feel like LaSalle, who went 5-5 in the GCL this season, might have won the Kentucky 6A championship this season had they competed in this state.

 

 

The score was 40-31 until the closing seconds of the game when Cincy X intercepted the ball and ran it back for 6. Until late in the 3rd Quarter the Rocks were leading. As it is we still put up more points on Cincy X than anyone else on their schedule this season to the best of my knowledge. The final score does not indicate how close the game truly was. Even though they did dominate the 4th quarter and wore us down.

[CentreRocks]

A 47-31 game is not a close game in my opinion.

You weren't at the game were you?

[leatherneck]

A corollary question I guess is does the lack of strong competition in Ky hurt Trinity and X? I wonder if the lack of true and consistent competition for those two schools in a lot of years hurts them in getting prepared for the GCL and Tenn. schools.

[98NCCalum]

corollary

I know I wasn't the only one who had to look that up.

[98NCCalum]

A corollary question I guess is does the lack of strong competition in Ky hurt Trinity and X? I wonder if the lack of true and consistent competition for those two schools in a lot of years hurts them in getting prepared for the GCL and Tenn. schools.

But it's a valid question.

[CentreRocks]

A corollary question I guess is does the lack of strong competition in Ky hurt Trinity and X? I wonder if the lack of true and consistent competition for those two schools in a lot of years hurts them in getting prepared for the GCL and Tenn. schools.

 

I don't know. I know Trinity always played MBA in week 1 and has played the GCL schools in weeks 2 or 3. I think that point would be more valid if those games were played later in the season.

 

X doesn't play out of state competition too often.

[Rock85]

You weren't at the game were you?

 

Obviously not

[Trinity alum]

A corollary question I guess is does the lack of strong competition in Ky hurt Trinity and X? I wonder if the lack of true and consistent competition for those two schools in a lot of years hurts them in getting prepared for the GCL and Tenn. schools.

 

I think that the answer is a strong yes. If Trinity played in the GCL, they would be near the top because the increased level of competition would make it necessary. I think that a bigger factor with MBA was that Trinity is just not as good early in the season, especially in those years when the quarterback and receivers have not worked together a lot. The Trinity offense is complicated and takes a lot of time to get smooth.