In my opinion, what will happen to either confirm/disprove these allegations, will be a teammate, team doctor or clubhouse person, who were possibly present during these injections and will substantiate, one side or the other.

 

I would also like to see, what the offer from the Mitchell investigators to MacNamee were. If he offered the information initially or after, the promise of immunity/reduced time, if he was facing serious incarceration time.

 

Everyone can dissect the phone conversation but there is obvious deception, by someone in this instance. Hopefully, Clemens is being forthright and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until otherwise.

Wouldn't it behoove McNamee to get some type of confession from Clemens? I mean, he's already screwed. His credibility goes through the roof if Clemens admits it. If he continues to deny it, everyone will always wonder about the guys that claimed innocence...

 

Behoove? Stop throwing big words at me! :lol:

 

Clemens knew and McNamee suspected that the phone call was/could be taped so neither one was saying much. Therefore, multiple "someone needs to tell the truth?" and "what do you want me to do?" quotes, to which neither one would answer directly.

Behoove? Stop throwing big words at me! :lol:

 

Clemens knew and McNamee suspected that the phone call was/could be taped so neither one was said saying much. Therefore, multiple "someone needs to tell the truth?" and "what do you want me to do?" quotes, to which neither one would answer directly.

 

This truly could be a "war of attrition."

In my opinion, what will happen to either confirm/disprove these allegations, will be a teammate, team doctor or clubhouse person, who were possibly present during these injections and will substantiate, one side or the other.

 

I would also like to see, what the offer from the Mitchell investigators to MacNamee were. If he offered the information initially or after, the promise of immunity/reduced time, if he was facing serious incarceration time.

 

Everyone can dissect the phone conversation but there is obvious deception, by someone in this instance. Hopefully, Clemens is being forthright and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until otherwise.

 

Your first point would be nice but I don't think Clemens or McNamee would ever have done it anywhere near the clubhouse. The only person who MIGHT have any info in that regard would probably be Andy Pettite.

Your second point is a good one. I think that is key to this case. If Clemens was mentioned along with everyone else and under the same deal of immunity then Roger's in big trouble because McNamee was right about the others.

This truly could be a "war of attrition."

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

Where's my dictionary?

Big Clemens fan here, but I am also a federal agent, and I guess that side of me is stronger. I thought the taped conversation did little, if anything, to enhance Clemens' case that he never used steroids. Many, many times McNamee directly asked Clemens, "Just let me know what you want me to do." Never once does Clemens say to him, "I want you to tell people that you lied about me taking steroids and that I never took them." Heck, that was - at least ostensibly - that point of the whole call, wasn't it? Clemens had 17 MINUTES to get this point across and failed to do so. I have taped recorded many conversations in my career in an effort to get someone to make an incriminating statement. I know what someone sounds like when they're being coached and Clemens sounded exactly like someone who had rehearsed and scripted his part of the conversation. As far as Clemen's attorney claiming Clemens did not want to make such a statement for fear of interfering with an ongoing investigation - hogwash. It is hardly interfering with an investigation by encouraging someone to repudiate their lies and tell the truth. That is a very transparent explanation.

 

Certainly McNamee has credibility issues. But the fact of the matter is that he fingered Pettite and that turned out to be true. Do you think for one second that Pettite would have confessed his use without McNamee turning him in? McNamee could face some very serious legal ramifications if he lied to investigators. It greatly behooves him to tell the truth.

 

McNamee sounded to me like a guy who was legitimately distraught about turning in a friend, but did "what he thought was right". McNamee had ample opportunity during this call - a call which he presumably did not know was being recorded - to tell Clemens he was remorseful for lying to investigators. He evens makes the statements, "The truth is the truth" and "I tried to help as much as I could." How can Clemens not immediately respond, "Help me? How did you help me? You lied about me taking steroids!"

 

I want to believe Clemens, just like I've wanted to believe every other MLB player who initially denied taking illegal substances only to subsequently admit doing so or continue to deny in the face of overwhelming evidence. But it's getting tough to do so.

Big Clemens fan here, but I am also a federal agent, and I guess that side of me is stronger. I thought the taped conversation did little, if anything, to enhance Clemens' case that he never used steroids. Many, many times McNamee directly asked Clemens, "Just let me know what you want me to do." Never once does Clemens say to him, "I want you to tell people that you lied about me taking steroids and that I never took them." Heck, that was - at least ostensibly - that point of the whole call, wasn't it? Clemens had 17 MINUTES to get this point across and failed to do so. I have taped recorded many conversations in my career in an effort to get someone to make an incriminating statement. I know what someone sounds like when they're being coached and Clemens sounded exactly like someone who had rehearsed and scripted his part of the conversation. As far as Clemen's attorney claiming Clemens did not want to make such a statement for fear of interfering with an ongoing investigation - hogwash. It is hardly interfering with an investigation by encouraging someone to repudiate their lies and tell the truth. That is a very transparent explanation.

 

Certainly McNamee has credibility issues. But the fact of the matter is that he fingered Pettite and that turned out to be true. Do you think for one second that Pettite would have confessed his use without McNamee turning him in? McNamee could face some very serious legal ramifications if he lied to investigators. It greatly behooves him to tell the truth.

McNamee sounded to me like a guy who was legitimately distraught about turning in a friend, but did "what he thought was right". McNamee had ample opportunity during this call - a call which he presumably did not know was being recorded - to tell Clemens he was remorseful for lying to investigators. He evens makes the statements, "The truth is the truth" and "I tried to help as much as I could." How can Clemens not immediately respond, "Help me? How did you help me? You lied about me taking steroids!"

 

I want to believe Clemens, just like I've wanted to believe every other MLB player who initially denied taking illegal substances only to subsequently admit doing so or continue to deny in the face of overwhelming evidence. But it's getting tough to do so.

 

What's up with the "behooves" today? :lol:

 

Good post. :thumb:

 

Like I said before, McNamee is in a lot more trouble if he lied about it. And unless it was forced out of him, he had no reason to do so.

What's up with the "behooves" today? :lol:

 

Good post. :thumb:

 

Like I said before, McNamee is in a lot more trouble if he lied about it. And unless it was forced out of him, he had no reason to do so.

 

It does seem to be pretty popular. Must have been on someone's "Word of the Day" calendar.

It does seem to be pretty popular. Must have been on someone's "Word of the Day" calendar.

 

THAT'S where sticky gets his big words! :lol:

What's up with the "behooves" today? :lol:

 

Good post. :thumb:

 

Like I said before, McNamee is in a lot more trouble if he lied about it. And unless it was forced out of him, he had no reason to do so.

 

BTW, federal agents NEVER force statements out of anyone. :ylsuper: You can trust me (a federal agent) on that!

BTW, federal agents NEVER force statements out of anyone. :ylsuper: You can trust me (a federal agent) on that!

 

Criminal Minds begs to differ...

He said he didnt kno if he would take a lie detector test or not. Why wouldnt you take it if your telling the truth?

This argument has always bothered me. In a country where the accused are supposedly innocent until proven guilty, why would ANYONE be expected to take a test that is not reliable enough to be admissible in court? That's a lose - lose for Clemens. He gains nothing if he passes it. The accusations will not go away, for the very excuse I stated above. If he fails it, his situation only intensifies.

BTW, federal agents NEVER force statements out of anyone. :ylsuper: You can trust me (a federal agent) on that!

 

Even if you are a federal agent, it would be sort of hard...and unrealistic to speak for every single federal agent in the U.S. wouldn't it?

This argument has always bothered me. In a country where the accused are supposedly innocent until proven guilty, why would ANYONE be expected to take a test that is not reliable enough to be admissible in court? That's a lose - lose for Clemens. He gains nothing if he passes it. The accusations will not go away, for the very excuse I stated above. If he fails it, his situation only intensifies.

 

Didn't I see that McNamee made a statement that if anyone could beat a lie detector test it was Clemens? I have to find that because that creates doubt in my mind...

Didn't I see that McNamee made a statement that if anyone could beat a lie detector test it was Clemens? I have to find that because that creates doubt in my mind...

 

I believe he did say he thought Clemens would pass the test, because he probably believes what he is saying.