January 3, 200818 yr Author Settle down tiger:fight:, I said I don’t know how many and I really don’t care. I just know that there are too many being aggressive and domesticated. Those kinds of deer will be the easy and likely kills. Other than clearing the hillside, which by the way would cause Route 8 to slip into the river quicker than it already is, what other way it there to control the population. Like I said before, the deer are land locked and the ones that don’t get killed by cars or die of natural causes are going to keep reproducing. Something has to be done to protect the citizens of Fort Thomas. Sorry Sweep if i steal your thunder here. Why don't they limit the hunt every year from Feb 1 to Mar 1 to kill as many as they want. I could care less then!!! That would eliminate the Clowns from out of town coming in to try to take a state record buck from his home. Or just limit it to Residents of Ft Thomas with a $10,000 fine for non-residents. It might be allright now with a handful of outsiders coming in and hunting. But in 5 years there will be a 100 guys sitting in the woods this time of year.
January 3, 200818 yr Settle down tiger:fight:, I said I don’t know how many and I really don’t care. I just know that there are too many being aggressive and domesticated. Those kinds of deer will be the easy and likely kills. Like I said before, the deer are land locked and the ones that don’t get killed by cars or die of natural causes are going to keep reproducing. Something has to be done to protect the citizens of Fort Thomas. This just in. Two elderly women just got kicked in the mouth by big domesticated buck on the corner of Highland and Grand while waiting for a bus. Are you serious Clark?
January 3, 200818 yr Author [/b] This just in. Two elderly women just got kicked in the mouth by big domesticated buck on the corner of Highland and Grand while waiting for a bus. Are you serious Clark? The Highlands Bluebirds have a new secret weapon on their football team. Bucky the Trucky!!!!!!
January 3, 200818 yr Sorry Sweep if i steal your thunder here. Why don't they limit the hunt every year from Feb 1 to Mar 1 to kill as many as they want. I could care less then!!! That would eliminate the Clowns from out of town coming in to try to take a state record buck from his home. Or just limit it to Residents of Ft Thomas with a $10,000 fine for non-residents. It might be allright now with a handful of outsiders coming in and hunting. But in 5 years there will be a 100 guys sitting in the woods this time of year. Uhhhh, because there wouldnt be any horns on them their deer. It would look like a hairdresser convention out their. :scared:
January 3, 200818 yr Author Uhhhh, because there wouldnt be any horns on them their deer. It would look like a hairdresser convention out their. :scared: Isn't that ironic!!!!
January 3, 200818 yr The city needs to come up with a number that they want taken and have a quota type hunt. Have people apply and draw the tags for the hunt. Charge $15 for the tag to cover the administration fees. Have it open to who ever wants to apply but state if caught on private property without permission you will be ticketed for trespassing. Also if you take a deer off of private property you will be ticketed for poaching.
January 4, 200818 yr The city needs to come up with a number that they want taken and have a quota type hunt. Have people apply and draw the tags for the hunt. Charge $15 for the tag to cover the administration fees. Have it open to who ever wants to apply but state if caught on private property without permission you will be ticketed for trespassing. Also if you take a deer off of private property you will be ticketed for poaching. Woodsie you would be considered the minority along with me on this subject by making a simple but yet effective statement. You are thinking with your head and not the other end and that is something the City Council of Ft. Thomas would be threatened by. :thumb:
January 4, 200818 yr I have tried to stay out of this discussion and being a City Council Person I was shocked that this has happened. When I think of Ft Thomas I think of a beautiful town with great people in it. To let out siders come in to hunt deer is ridiculous and scary. I know I would not want someone shooting deer in my town even if they were that many deer. I only wish the citizens the best and hope no one seriously gets hurt. Okay I got it off my chest. Good Luck Ft Thomas residents. JD
January 4, 200818 yr The city can set the regulations for hunting on city property as long as they are within the state regulations. This would be no different then Peabody regulating the public hunting on their property. Fort Thomas should require a permit to be purchased to hunt in the city limits as well. This would take care of at least some of the costs they may be incurring. I know to hunt Peabody property you have to buy a Peabody permit. Not sure of the cost but Reynolds has property in Henderson County you can hunt if you buy a $50 permit. If Fort Thomas required this they could at least keep track of who is hunting in the city. I doubt the City could do what you are proposing. Now if I wanted to charge a hunter a $50 fee to hunt on my property in Ft. Thomas I could if I wanted to. And I'll respectfully disagree with Boom. Personally I have no big problems (subject to the comments below) with the ordinance. I do get a kick out of people worrying about the traumatic effect seeing a dead deer is going to have on children. Personally I think that's a bunch of hooey. If your child is old enough to be "traumatized" at seeing a dead deer, the child is probably old enough to understand if you explain to him/her that people throughout this country hunt animals. Some do it for pleasure, some do it for the trophy, some do it for the food and sometimes its necessarily done to thin the herd when deer become overpopulated. I wonder if those kids are traumatized when the see a squirrel squished in the road in front of their house or they see the dead deer laying on the side of Memorial Parkway each fall. I doubt it. Heck, most kids have seen the Lion King and heard about the circle of life anyway. The Fish and Wildlife do a pretty good job determining the herd size county by county. They have spent a lot of time in the City analyzing the deer population and have agreed that there are way too many deer. And it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that there is a huge herd of deer in Ft. Thomas. I walk my dogs less than a mile each morning at 4:30 or so. It is a rare occasion when I don't see at least 30 deer. Heck I usually see 8-10 in my side yard each morning. If I recall correctly, we had 47 car-deer accidents in the City last year which is a lot to me. And the deer have lost almost all fear of humans and dogs. When I walk my dogs, they'll get within less than 5 yards of the deer and the deer won't even budge. They don't flag or even stomp their feet in alarm. They simply stand there and look at the dogs as the dogs bark at them. Late at night when I'm driving, I don't worry a bit about drunk drivers; I worry a lot more about deer bolting out in front of me as they have done on many occasions. And Leo hit the nail on the head. Some things the City Council wanted to do to "regulate" the hunters was not permitted under State law. Its not even called a deer hunting ordinance as the City cannot enact laws regulating the taking of game. That's resticted to the State. Its a bow and arrow discharge ordinance. If a hunter wanted to, I believe they could shoot any species (not just deer) they wanted to as long as it was within the State hunting law guidelines. Is it a perfect ordinance? Probably not. If I was still on City Council, I'd have probably regulated the discharge of arrows to the first week of each month during the bow hunting deer season as I think it would have culled the herd sufficiently, yet limited the amount of time that hunters were in the woods thus decreasing the chances of a someone getting hurt. I'd have probably required anyone discharging an arrow to notify in advance the police when and where it was going to happen. I do believe the ordinance may get tweaked before next year. Frankly, I don't get any more upset with out of towners hunting in the City any more than I get upset with Ohioians coming to Kentucky to hunt deer during our gun season. If they buy the out of state hunting license, they can hunt in Ky.
January 4, 200818 yr The city needs to come up with a number that they want taken and have a quota type hunt. Have people apply and draw the tags for the hunt. Charge $15 for the tag to cover the administration fees. Have it open to who ever wants to apply but state if caught on private property without permission you will be ticketed for trespassing. Also if you take a deer off of private property you will be ticketed for poaching. The City CANNOT regulate the number of deer that can be taken in the City as State law prevents them from doing that. They could charge a fee to get a permit to discharge an arrow in the City however. The ordinance already states that you cannot hunt on another person's property without their permission. I believe its a misdemeanor if you do so. Below is a copy of the ordinance that was adopted: ORDINANCE NO. O-35-2007 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 95 OF THE “CITY OF FORT THOMAS CODE OF ORDINANCES” BY ADDING AN EXCEPTION TO SECTION 95.05 TO ALLOW FOR THE DISCHARGE OF ARROWS FROM BOWS OR CROSSBOWS UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES; AND CREATING SECTIONS 95.30 THROUGH 95.32 OF THE “CITY OF FORT THOMAS CODE OF ORDINANCES” REGULATING FIELD DRESSING OF ANIMALS WITHIN THE CITY. WHEREAS, the city has experienced an increase in the number of deer-vehicle accidents in the city; and WHEREAS, a segment of the residents of Fort Thomas have expressed the desire for relief from the damage to private property caused by the deer population in the city; and WHEREAS, the Board of Council desires to improve public safety by reducing the number of deer-vehicle accidents in the city; and WHEREAS, the Board of Council desires to provide a method for residents to address the occurrence of deer-related damage to their property. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED THAT: SECTION I Section 95.05 of the City of Fort Thomas Code of Ordinances is hereby amended as follows: § 95.05 DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND OTHER WEAPONS. No person shall discharge any firearm of any nature, nor use or discharge any sling, bow or other weapon in the City of Fort Thomas, except as specifically provided hereinbelow. The prohibition of this section shall not apply to any police officer or agent of this city acting in his or her official capacity. Exceptions. (A) The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to any individual discharging an arrow from a bow or crossbow when such discharge meets all of the following requirements: (1) When such discharge occurs during the Kentucky archery hunting season for deer as established by the Commonwealth of Kentucky or when such discharge occurs pursuant to a depredation permit issued by the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources; and (2) When the individual is discharging an arrow from a point not less than 200 feet from a residence, apartment, or business structure not on the property on which the discharge is occurring, or a street, highway, interstate, railroad or park, in the intended direction of the arrow; and (3) When the individual is discharging an arrow in a manner where no residence, apartment or business structure not on the property on which the discharge is occurring, or a street, highway, interstate, railroad or park is less than 50 feet perpendicular to the arrow’s intended path of trajectory; and (4) When the individual is discharging an arrow in a manner in which it does not leave the property from which it is being discharged; and (5) When the individual is discharging an arrow not more than 35 yards from the intended target; and (6) When the individual discharging an arrow is either the owner of the property upon which the arrow is being discharged or has the permission of the property owner upon which the arrow is being discharged. (B) The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to any individual discharging an arrow as part of an educational program on property owned or controlled by the educational institution, specifically including, but not limited to, archery classes taught in a public or private school. SECTION II Chapter 95 of the City of Fort Thomas Code of Ordinances is hereby amended by adding sections 95.30 through 95.32 as follows: FIELD DRESSING ANIMALS § 95.30 SCOPE. This subchapter shall apply to the field dressing of any animal killed in conjunction with the discharge of any arrow from a bow in strict compliance with § 95.05 of this Chapter. § 95.31 DEFINITIONS. FIELD DRESSING. The process of removing blood and internal organs from an animal carcass. § 95.32 REQUIREMENTS. Any individual who field dresses an animal carcass within the City of Fort Thomas is required to containerize and remove all blood and internal organs from within the City of Fort Thomas. No blood or internal organs resulting from field dressing an animal shall be buried, burned, or otherwise disposed of within the City of Fort Thomas, nor shall any blood or internal organs be placed in trash containers for collection by the city or the city’s garbage franchisee. SECTION III This ordinance shall no longer be in force and effect and shall expire on February 1, 2011. SECTION IV This Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its passage, approval, and publication as required by law. APPROVED: ___________________________________ Mary H. Brown, Mayor 1st Reading: _____________________________ Adopted: _____________________________ Publication: _____________________________ ATTEST: _________________________________________ Melissa K. Kelly, City Clerk
January 4, 200818 yr Author I doubt the City could do what you are proposing. Now if I wanted to charge a hunter a $50 fee to hunt on my property in Ft. Thomas I could if I wanted to. And I'll respectfully disagree with Boom. Personally I have no big problems (subject to the comments below) with the ordinance. I do get a kick out of people worrying about the traumatic effect seeing a dead deer is going to have on children. Personally I think that's a bunch of hooey. If your child is old enough to be "traumatized" at seeing a dead deer, the child is probably old enough to understand if you explain to him/her that people throughout this country hunt animals. Some do it for pleasure, some do it for the trophy, some do it for the food and sometimes its necessarily done to thin the herd when deer become overpopulated. I wonder if those kids are traumatized when the see a squirrel squished in the road in front of their house or they see the dead deer laying on the side of Memorial Parkway each fall. I doubt it. Heck, most kids have seen the Lion King and heard about the circle of life anyway. The Fish and Wildlife do a pretty good job determining the herd size county by county. They have spent a lot of time in the City analyzing the deer population and have agreed that there are way too many deer. And it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that there is a huge herd of deer in Ft. Thomas. I walk my dogs less than a mile each morning at 4:30 or so. It is a rare occasion when I don't see at least 30 deer. Heck I usually see 8-10 in my side yard each morning. If I recall correctly, we had 47 car-deer accidents in the City last year which is a lot to me. And the deer have lost almost all fear of humans and dogs. When I walk my dogs, they'll get within less than 5 yards of the deer and the deer won't even budge. They don't flag or even stomp their feet in alarm. They simply stand there and look at the dogs as the dogs bark at them. Late at night when I'm driving, I don't worry a bit about drunk drivers; I worry a lot more about deer bolting out in front of me as they have done on many occasions. And Leo hit the nail on the head. Some things the City Council wanted to do to "regulate" the hunters was not permitted under State law. Its not even called a deer hunting ordinance as the City cannot enact laws regulating the taking of game. That's resticted to the State. Its a bow and arrow discharge ordinance. If a hunter wanted to, I believe they could shoot any species (not just deer) they wanted to as long as it was within the State hunting law guidelines. Is it a perfect ordinance? Probably not. If I was still on City Council, I'd have probably regulated the discharge of arrows to the first week of each month during the bow hunting deer season as I think it would have culled the herd sufficiently, yet limited the amount of time that hunters were in the woods thus decreasing the chances of a someone getting hurt. I'd have probably required anyone discharging an arrow to notify in advance the police when and where it was going to happen. I do believe the ordinance may get tweaked before next year. Frankly, I don't get any more upset with out of towners hunting in the City any more than I get upset with Ohioians coming to Kentucky to hunt deer during our gun season. If they buy the out of state hunting license, they can hunt in Ky. Of coarse you do!!! Why would this thread be any different than any other thread i post on BGP. Well guess what this is not Highlands Football and and i pay the same taxes as you do and have the same right to my opinions as again you do. This thread is about the DEER in Ft Thomas not Boom!!!! You need to stop taking pot shots and pointing out only a select few when your thoughts differ from theirs to come back a hour later to say I was only kidding with you. And you think it's okay to let total strangers in the city to hunt deer. That's a crock!!! Wait until they start breaking into our homes. Maybe in the future when you want to discredit someone, leave their names out of it. Don't even bother with the P.M. Save your storage space!!! Oh and by the way, I'm only kidding:banana::banana::banana:
January 4, 200818 yr Author The City CANNOT regulate the number of deer that can be taken in the City as State law prevents them from doing that. They could charge a fee to get a permit to discharge an arrow in the City however. The ordinance already states that you cannot hunt on another person's property without their permission. I believe its a misdemeanor if you do so. Below is a copy of the ordinance that was adopted: ORDINANCE NO. O-35-2007 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 95 OF THE “CITY OF FORT THOMAS CODE OF ORDINANCES” BY ADDING AN EXCEPTION TO SECTION 95.05 TO ALLOW FOR THE DISCHARGE OF ARROWS FROM BOWS OR CROSSBOWS UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES; AND CREATING SECTIONS 95.30 THROUGH 95.32 OF THE “CITY OF FORT THOMAS CODE OF ORDINANCES” REGULATING FIELD DRESSING OF ANIMALS WITHIN THE CITY. WHEREAS, the city has experienced an increase in the number of deer-vehicle accidents in the city; and WHEREAS, a segment of the residents of Fort Thomas have expressed the desire for relief from the damage to private property caused by the deer population in the city; and WHEREAS, the Board of Council desires to improve public safety by reducing the number of deer-vehicle accidents in the city; and WHEREAS, the Board of Council desires to provide a method for residents to address the occurrence of deer-related damage to their property. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED THAT: SECTION I Section 95.05 of the City of Fort Thomas Code of Ordinances is hereby amended as follows: § 95.05 DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS AND OTHER WEAPONS. No person shall discharge any firearm of any nature, nor use or discharge any sling, bow or other weapon in the City of Fort Thomas, except as specifically provided hereinbelow. The prohibition of this section shall not apply to any police officer or agent of this city acting in his or her official capacity. Exceptions. (A) The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to any individual discharging an arrow from a bow or crossbow when such discharge meets all of the following requirements: (1) When such discharge occurs during the Kentucky archery hunting season for deer as established by the Commonwealth of Kentucky or when such discharge occurs pursuant to a depredation permit issued by the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources; and (2) When the individual is discharging an arrow from a point not less than 200 feet from a residence, apartment, or business structure not on the property on which the discharge is occurring, or a street, highway, interstate, railroad or park, in the intended direction of the arrow; and (3) When the individual is discharging an arrow in a manner where no residence, apartment or business structure not on the property on which the discharge is occurring, or a street, highway, interstate, railroad or park is less than 50 feet perpendicular to the arrow’s intended path of trajectory; and (4) When the individual is discharging an arrow in a manner in which it does not leave the property from which it is being discharged; and (5) When the individual is discharging an arrow not more than 35 yards from the intended target; and (6) When the individual discharging an arrow is either the owner of the property upon which the arrow is being discharged or has the permission of the property owner upon which the arrow is being discharged. (B) The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to any individual discharging an arrow as part of an educational program on property owned or controlled by the educational institution, specifically including, but not limited to, archery classes taught in a public or private school. SECTION II Chapter 95 of the City of Fort Thomas Code of Ordinances is hereby amended by adding sections 95.30 through 95.32 as follows: FIELD DRESSING ANIMALS § 95.30 SCOPE. This subchapter shall apply to the field dressing of any animal killed in conjunction with the discharge of any arrow from a bow in strict compliance with § 95.05 of this Chapter. § 95.31 DEFINITIONS. FIELD DRESSING. The process of removing blood and internal organs from an animal carcass. § 95.32 REQUIREMENTS. Any individual who field dresses an animal carcass within the City of Fort Thomas is required to containerize and remove all blood and internal organs from within the City of Fort Thomas. No blood or internal organs resulting from field dressing an animal shall be buried, burned, or otherwise disposed of within the City of Fort Thomas, nor shall any blood or internal organs be placed in trash containers for collection by the city or the city’s garbage franchisee. SECTION III This ordinance shall no longer be in force and effect and shall expire on February 1, 2011. SECTION IV This Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its passage, approval, and publication as required by law. APPROVED: ___________________________________ Mary H. Brown, Mayor 1st Reading: _____________________________ Adopted: _____________________________ Publication: _____________________________ ATTEST: _________________________________________ Melissa K. Kelly, City Clerk So the 2 guys from Lewis county walking through the police chief's back yard will only be charged with a misdemeanor. This is another crock!!!! The penalties aren't stiff enough. So these 2 guys went to walmart the next day and bought another bow and are back at it today. Sounds like a good process to me. I am sooooooooo proud to live in Ft Thomas!!!!
January 4, 200818 yr So the 2 guys from Lewis county walking through the police chief's back yard will only be charged with a misdemeanor. This is another crock!!!! The penalties aren't stiff enough. So these 2 guys went to walmart the next day and bought another bow and are back at it today. Sounds like a good process to me. I am sooooooooo proud to live in Ft Thomas!!!! Boom, you are a hoot. I swear, you all whine and complain more about stuff than any family I've ever met. Does it ever stop?
January 4, 200818 yr Author Boom, you are a hoot. I swear, you all whine and complain more about stuff than any family I've ever met. Does it ever stop? Your right as always. You got me on that one my friend!!!!!!! Shots at the family, that's real smart!!!! Done any accounting lately Once again i'm only kidding!!!!!!!
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