Oprah's not evil, just misguided.

This God being taught now, is the most ingenious attack on the Christian God that Satan has ever used. It appeals in a non-threatening way, or at least it appears to them, exactly what they WANT to believe rather than what the Bible teaches.

 

 

You're exactly right.... and it's scary!!!!

 

 

 

I am losing respect for Oprah.

 

I never liked Oprah and could never understand why, until now.

I don't think that anybody is saying that Oprah doesn't do some good things but this more than offsets the good things she does. She is misguided and given her popularity this is very scary.

Is there something wrong with finding a way to understand the meaning of God's word that doesn't involve only reading the Bible?

 

If you believe that the Bible is without error and inspired by God, as I do, then the answer is simply yes.

We can probably have some fun with this one.

 

There is no sin;

God is in everyone and everything;

There is no evil;

Truth is what you make of it.

 

 

 

This is moral relativism on steroids imo.

If you believe that the Bible is without error and inspired by God, as I do, then the answer is simply yes.

 

How can you possibly "believe" that the Bible is without error? There is no "believing" to it - it's fact. The book is literally filled with errors and contradictions.

Oprah's not evil, just misguided.

 

I hear deep narcisism in this. She is "misguided" because her view of God is different from yours?

 

I an in no way an Oprah fan...but c'mom. She views God and the world and our view of it differently. Why does this make her misguided?

Are you saying that people who don't believe in the bible cannot be intrinsically good?

 

Being good has nothing to do with it. Sure, people of all religions or no religion can do acts that all would consider to be ethical or even "saintly."

 

But appearances aren't everything. FAITH is everything. As Christians, our acts are extentions of our belief in Christ and the message He brought us when He came to live among us, they are not the end-all-be-all.

 

As to whether or not there's an anti-Christ involved, I can't say for sure and I'm very cautious with such a terrible word. But to support sayings such as “Do not make the pathetic error of ‘clinging to the old rugged cross’" or A “slain Christ has no meaning” is actively attempting to divert Christians from the message Christ brought them and deny God's gifts to us. If trying to get people to renounce their own salvation isn't wickedness, then I don't know what is.

Being good has nothing to do with it. Sure, people of all religions or no religion can do acts that all would consider to be ethical or even "saintly."

 

Agreed....

 

But appearances aren't everything. FAITH is everything. As Christians, our acts are extentions of our belief in Christ and the message He brought us when He came to live among us, they are not the end-all-be-all.

 

Huh? :confused:

 

So if a Christian does good...its somehow "better" than if a non Christian goes good?

 

As to whether or not there's an anti-Christ involved, I can't say for sure and I'm very cautious with such a terrible word. But to support sayings such as “Do not make the pathetic error of ‘clinging to the old rugged cross’" or A “slain Christ has no meaning” is actively attempting to divert Christians from the message Christ brought them and deny God's gifts to us. If trying to get people to renounce their own salvation isn't wickedness, then I don't know what is.

 

Judging someone based on having a seperate set of beliefs should be right up there, I'd say.

Judging someone based on having a seperate set of beliefs should be right up there, I'd say.

 

If you can't understand how a Christian would be offended and even horrified by someone telling other Christians to turn their backs on Christ's sacrifice and God's Grace, then I don't see what we're talking about here.

 

In the end, this is all for not. Thomas Merton has written some great things on the absurdity of debates over religion. The New Age idea of a world of 'do what thou wilt' is repugnant to me, but the idea that I shouldn't protest it or do everything in my power to make sure the world is never like that is absurd.

If you can't understand how a Christian would be offended and even horrified by someone telling other Christians to turn their backs on Christ's sacrifice and God's Grace, then I don't see what we're talking about here.

 

How is that any different from when Christianity was formed as a sect that broke away from Judaism? Many Jews "turned their backs" on Judaism to become Christians. Why live by a double standard?

 

She has every right to promote this New Age religion on her radio program as someone like Sean Hannity or Mark Levin does to promote fundamentalist Christianity. It's up to you rather or not to challenge your accepted faith. If you wish to clench your eyes and not try to comprehend something outside of Christianity - it's your choice. But there are a lot of us that look at the world with eyes wide open. We enjoy the diversity that is world religions. This is just another facet of that diversity. Nothing says that the Christians have to turn their back on Christ and God and all that jazz. But if they do decide to, that should be there choice - not yours.

 

In the end, this is all for not. Thomas Merton has written some great things on the absurdity of debates over religion. The New Age idea of a world of 'do what thou wilt' is repugnant to me, but the idea that I shouldn't protest it or do everything in my power to make sure the world is never like that is absurd.

 

I disagree. The idea that you should try to censor one's religion in favor of the promotion in your own is absurd.

You know, Jesus preached a message of hoped for the oppressed, he did not come and talk about fear and try to scare anyone into becoming a disciple.

 

His anger and rage was reserved for the religious "right" of his day.

 

To the sinners he talked of hope.

 

Christianity was originally a religion of the minority and the outcast and the poor = now it is not. I think we as a country, by claiming that we are a Christian nation and not taking care of the weakest among us have distorted the religion more than Oprah ever could. We have made it a religion of worldly power and control. Jesus' message flew in the face of political control for the already powerful.

 

He came for the poor and the prisoner and the sick. Modern America has distorted this view by calling us all "sick" because we are sinners, when the fact is we are the powerful and hope to maintain it by electing leaders who are also Christians. Jesus came for the literal poor and literal prisoner and the literal weak and oppressed.

 

American Christians corporately are certainly none of those.

Confusion here: This a woman who does good, is trying to live a good life and she's being called an anti-Christ? Evil?

 

 

I will simply admire her for what she does to better the lives of others, and leave the judgment to Him.

In no way am I saying that Oprah is the devil (as jokingly stated earlier) but this is something to think about:

 

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

Pointing out the anti-Christ won't be easy.

So, you're telling me that ONLY people who are Christian are capable of doing good things? Are you saying that people who don't believe in the bible cannot be intrinsically good? Are you saying that even as we debate among ourselves whether the Bible is interpreted, or a "document". Is there something wrong with finding a way to understand the meaning of God's word that doesn't involve only reading the Bible?

 

If you are a Christian, then you must believe that works without faith are nothing more than filthy rags in the eyes of God. That is the best we can accomplish on our own. The world may see the works of a non-believer being good or even great, but they have no bearing on their eternal judgment. Works with faith will be rewarded.

You know, Jesus preached a message of hoped for the oppressed, he did not come and talk about fear and try to scare anyone into becoming a disciple.

 

His anger and rage was reserved for the religious "right" of his day.

 

To the sinners he talked of hope.

 

Christianity was originally a religion of the minority and the outcast and the poor = now it is not. I think we as a country, by claiming that we are a Christian nation and not taking care of the weakest among us have distorted the religion more than Oprah ever could. We have made it a religion of worldly power and control. Jesus' message flew in the face of political control for the already powerful.

 

He came for the poor and the prisoner and the sick. Modern America has distorted this view by calling us all "sick" because we are sinners, when the fact is we are the powerful and hope to maintain it by electing leaders who are also Christians. Jesus came for the literal poor and literal prisoner and the literal weak and oppressed.

 

American Christians corporately are certainly none of those.

 

 

I agree:

 

Every sunday people get up, put on their niecest clothes and shoes ,file into gas drinking suv's, drive past jails, orphanages, and homeless shelters, and go to a building where someone teaches them to be more Christ like.

 

I see no logic in that.