Read a statistic in the paper yesterday that this horrible war in Iraq has seen 805 deaths this year. It is the bloodiest year of the war.

 

With the stat that was presented on one of these threads about 3,500 abortions per day, At approximately 6:00 AM this morning, the number of babies aborted TODAY ALONE, exceeded the amount of soldiers that were killed in Iraq this year.

Read a statistic in the paper yesterday that this horrible war in Iraq has seen 805 deaths this year. It is the bloodiest year of the war.

 

With the stat that was presented on one of these threads about 3,500 abortions per day, At approximately 6:00 AM this morning, the number of babies aborted TODAY ALONE, exceeded the amount of soldiers that were killed in Iraq this year.

 

Where's the media on that stat?:irked:

Hatz those are hard Scriptures to swallow especially to those on here that want to think God is nothing but a loving God and acceptful for all.

 

The reality is that in each of your cases, those are situations in which God was speaking of the enemies of God. Hopefully, America is not the enemy of God where he would say it is okay for our unborn babies to be killed.

 

That's a good statement. I like that response.

 

The only thing I would say is that Babylon was also an agent of God according to the Prophets (see Deutero Isaiah and Jeremiah).

 

I think you acknowledged my point in your response. The truth is that the scripture has HARD parts. It's not all "cut and dry" and clear to handle. There is mystery to the nature of God (that's why He is God).

 

Why does God seems so favorable with someone like David who kills, has people killed, commits adultery, lies and is a horrible parent? The answer is that I don't know. It's the mystery of it all. God seems to give plenty of grace to a David and then strikes dead the poor guy who is merely trying to keep the ark of the covenant from tipping over. It's a mystery and there is no formula to explain it.

 

Why does God seems so favorable with someone like David who kills, has people killed, commits adultery, lies and is a horrible parent? The answer is that I don't know. It's the mystery of it all. God seems to give plenty of grace to a David and then strikes dead the poor guy who is merely trying to keep the ark of the covenant from tipping over. It's a mystery and there is no formula to explain it.

 

Probably the topic for another thread and good Biblical debate that Hearsay has recently started, but the term, "David, a man after God's heart" has always been a term that amazed me because David was pretty much a dirtbag.

 

But God forgave him and that is good enough for me.

Probably the topic for another thread and good Biblical debate that Hearsay has recently started, but the term, "David, a man after God's heart" has always been a term that amazed me because David was pretty much a dirtbag.

 

But God forgave him and that is good enough for me.

 

 

And for me.

 

It just leaves me to wonder who else God has forgiven that I say, "No way no how," to?

Probably the topic for another thread and good Biblical debate that Hearsay has recently started, but the term, "David, a man after God's heart" has always been a term that amazed me because David was pretty much a dirtbag.

 

But God forgave him and that is good enough for me.

 

Dirtbag seems a little harsh. David was a flawed human being, like every other person to ever live not named Jesus Christ...He wasn't perfect. However, most of the examples of his life from his story show a man who had a great zeal and love for God and a man who was obedient and sought God's advice on most occasions.

 

If David was a dirtbag, you'd be hard pressed to find a hero in the Bible that wasn't. But, you're right...we should save this topic for another thread. My apologies for getting off track...

Dirtbag seems a little harsh. David was a flawed human being, like every other person to ever live not named Jesus Christ...He wasn't perfect. However, most of the examples of his life from his story show a man who had a great zeal and love for God and a man who was obedient and sought God's advice on most occasions.

 

If David was a dirtbag, you'd be hard pressed to find a hero in the Bible that wasn't. But, you're right...we should save this topic for another thread. My apologies for getting off track...

When you have a good man killed so you can sleep with his wife, dirtbag is probably too nice.

How did GOD deal with David's sin?

Dirtbag seems a little harsh. David was a flawed human being, like every other person to ever live not named Jesus Christ...He wasn't perfect. However, most of the examples of his life from his story show a man who had a great zeal and love for God and a man who was obedient and sought God's advice on most occasions.

 

If David was a dirtbag, you'd be hard pressed to find a hero in the Bible that wasn't. But, you're right...we should save this topic for another thread. My apologies for getting off track...

 

Let's say your neighbor sent a person to their death and told friends to make sure that person died, all so he could now have his way, sexually, with the person's wife? What would you think of him?

 

How is that obedient?

When you have a good man killed so you can sleep with his wife, dirtbag is probably too nice.

 

Believe me, I understand where you're coming from...and that makes about 90%, at least, of our great "heroes of the faith" dirtbags. As long as we're consistent in our views, I'm fine with it.:thumb:

 

I just don't view David as a dirtbag...I look at these instances as examples of God's unending love and grace if people are willing to admit they've sinned, repent and turn back to Him. There are far more examples of good in David's life than shortcomings...I just choose not to define him on one big mistake. That's all.

Let's say your neighbor sent a person to their death and told friends to make sure that person died, all so he could now have his way, sexually, with the person's wife? What would you think of him?

 

How is that obedient?

 

Who, in the Bible, would you not classify as a dirtbag?

Who, in the Bible, would you not classify as a dirtbag?

 

Well, that one is easy. How about the main character and His Son?:lol:

Believe me, I understand where you're coming from...and that makes about 90%, at least, of our great "heroes of the faith" dirtbags. As long as we're consistent in our views, I'm fine with it.:thumb:

 

I just don't view David as a dirtbag...I look at these instances as examples of God's unending love and grace if people are willing to admit they've sinned, repent and turn back to Him. There are far more examples of good in David's life than shortcomings...I just choose not to define him on one big mistake. That's all.

 

Now I think the bolded is right on. The story of David is more about the love and grace of God rather than the goodness of David.

Believe me, I understand where you're coming from...and that makes about 90%, at least, of our great "heroes ...

You mean like Roosevelt, Kennedy and Clinton? At least they didn't have anyone killed for their multiple extra-marital affairs. (That we could prove.)

 

But as LBBC would say, that's probably for another thread.

Now I think the bolded is right on. The story of David is more about the love and grace of God rather than the goodness of David.

 

Everything in the Bible is more about the love and grace of God than anything else. :thumb:

 

I don't really want to argue about David. As I said, I certainly understand the point and where it's coming from.

 

The thing is...

 

What would you think about a man who on at least two occasions lied to someone else, claiming his wife was merely his sister almost leading to adultery? A man who had a child by a female servant in his house and then later exiled them and banished them alone into the desert because his wife was jealous?

 

I think we've already covered murderers.

 

How about a son who deceives his father to steal his older brother's blessing?

 

Or a man with 700 wives and 600 "other" women who leads his country into idol worship?

 

Or someone who abandons one of their closest friends when they're arguably needed the most?

 

I've often wondered how my church (or any church) would respond if a known murderer, married to a woman of a different race, came into the church. What would they think or say about him? Yet, what if Moses came in. :sssh:

 

That's my point. We shouldn't define a person's life based on one mistake...and that's easier said than done, depending on the mistake. David (and numerous others) are great examples of God's love and grace...but they're also great personal examples for us to follow. Whether we've committed murder and adultery is not relevant...we have all sinned, thus we're all in the same boat as David. It's all about whether we're willing to follow God to the best of our ability...and when we fail, are we willing to admit it and keep turning back to Him and learn from our mistakes. I think David did that.

 

There are numerous things that made David special to God, IMO, but his unique sensitivity to sin was one. Read his psalm after his adultery with Bathsheba. Also, he constantly sought God's guidance before making any decision. I could go on and on, but I won't. He had a real heart for God...the fact that he did something as terrible as he did, IMO, just speaks to the magnitude of our fallen nature. If a "man after God's own heart", who was Israel's greatest king, who did numerous great things for God, is capable of something so heinous, then we should never put too much faith in any man regardless of how "good" they seem. We are to constantly guard ourselves and stay alert and not get complacent...

 

You know what? You guys have convinced me. David was a dirtbag. In the process, I've realized something else...I've reached a conclusion that has to mean David was a dirtbag.

 

We're all dirtbags.