The Judge has the right and power NOT to accept the plea and re open the process. There are already signed confessions/pleas from EVERY other witness, guilty parties and/or persons involved in this thing that Vick personally took part in the killing of the dogs and gambling on them as well.

 

A statement from Vicks Father went something like "I am tired of people sugar coating this, Mike has fought dogs, gambled and killed them from way back - that is his thing. I told him way back that he had better put the property used for these purposes in another persons name to prevent implications of him if anything should ever come up." This was what his father said. Now, espn did say that Vick and his father were not close and did not speak. Do ya think!! :lol: .

 

This entire thing is turning into an even bigger circus than it already was.

Bottom line to me is that Vick is wanting to assure himself of an avenue back to the NFL by not pleading guilty to gambling or the actual killing of the dogs. I can only hope that the Judge in this case refuses the plea as Vick submits and the thing ends up going to trial with all the signed statments from everyone else involed plus the now public statement from his father.

As I have said before, the U.S. Government does not seek a federal indictment unless they have an unlosable case...airtight. You never hear of people going to trial in federal court and winning. When they handed down a federal indictment against Vick, his fate was already sealed. And that's why his co-conspirators have been quick to flip. They realize this too.

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If he refuses to plead guilty to those charges, I would take him to trial, and put him away for a long time.

 

What a loser....

I was thinking the same thing also when I heard this on ESPN.

From what I've read, the prosecution is on board with this and will recommend 12 to 18 months. However, the judge is known to be tough and might sentence him to a longer term.

Since I heard that he's unwilling to admit to anything, I was hoping that the prosecution would withdraw the plea bargain and charge him with everything.

From what I understood upon hearing this, that the DA will accept this plea. He, or she, is speaking for the people and they do not want to waste taxpayers money on a lengthy trial.

 

I, for one, would gladly pay my part of taxes for this trial. And this goes along with the teatment that celebs are getting. Lindsay, Paris, and Nicole all recieved slaps on the wrist. While Vick's is more serious, he's still famous.

I just can only hope that the judge (who is known for being tough on sentencing) feels that his and everyones intelligence is being insulted by this and he put Vick in the slammer for even longer. Maybe in cell with about a dozen very hungry and very angry pit bulls with a piece of raw meat dangling from him - no resraints on Vick, he woud have sporting chance :lol: . What Vick's legal beagles are trying to do here is to keep an avenue open for him to return to the NFL. I hope that the NFL see's right through this as well.

 

Next time I might say what I really think about it.

Ok, some of you may have said this, but just to clarify for me with a definitive answer, what does Vick not admitting to killing dogs or gambling mean in the big scheme of things?

Ok, some of you may have said this, but just to clarify for me with a definitive answer, what does Vick not admitting to killing dogs or gambling mean in the big scheme of things?

 

I haven't read the rest of the thread but I'm guessing he'll look to reduce his sentence by, basically, the questionable credibility of the others that have rolled on him. The judge may say thanks but no thanks...

 

IMO, this is nothing more than GREAT lawyering...

Since I heard that he's unwilling to admit to anything, I was hoping that the prosecution would withdraw the plea bargain and charge him with everything.

 

That's what will happen, IMO. Vick will either plead guilty to what the feds want him to, or they will prosecute him by trial. From my outsider's perspective, it doesn't look like Vick has much leverage to negotiate here. Basically, all he's doing is saving the government from having to spend time and money on a trial. Obviously, they're willing to cut him some slack if he cooperates, but I don't expect they'll let him get off without admitting to much, if not all, of what he is guilty of. Everything is against him...all his allies have rolled over, tons of evidence, etc...

 

I think the prosecutors will set the terms of the deal and it will be Vick's decision whether he accepts or not. I'm 98% sure he'll accept the plea bargain.

Ok, some of you may have said this, but just to clarify for me with a definitive answer, what does Vick not admitting to killing dogs or gambling mean in the big scheme of things?

I think a big part in sentencing is remorse. Vick shows none. He sees this as a hic-cup in his life. He's unwilling to admit wrongdoing. This would indicate that the courts will be seeing him again in the future.

ESPN reports Vick has signed the plea deal and admitted to the dogfighting and gambling charges.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989824

The PDF of the plea-

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vickplea.pdf

 

 

On a side note, what a signature from Vick, huh?

Here is my question- does Michael Vick really understand why all this fuss has been made about dogfighting? Does he understand that it is truly cruel to dogs? Or does he just see it as something that he and his buddies do to pass the time?

ESPN reports Vick has signed the plea deal and admitted to the dogfighting and gambling charges.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989824

Updated: August 24, 2007, 1:10 PM ET

 

RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick filed a plea agreement in federal court Friday admitting to a dogfighting charge and agreed the enterprise included killing fighting dogs and gambling.

However, according to the statement of facts that accompanies the plea, Vick did not place side bets and did not receive proceeds from purses from the fights.

 

The original story was funnier because it said "The charge carries a potential sentence of up yo ears in prison." :lol: