The "resources" parochial schools have are parents who write the checks for tuition, books, football camp, meals, equipment, etc etc etc AND pay taxes to support the public schools.

I get tired of hearing how poor the private schools are and that they don't have the resources of public schools. Something else they don't have is the state or federal government telling them how they have to spend the money they do have.

 

I previously worked for a private school and they built an entirely brand new facility (school, administration, athletic complex) with donations of money, materials and manpower. The facilities are nicer than those found at the vast majority of public schools around the state.

 

Public schools do not have the resources to accomplish this kind of undertaking and if they did, there are various governmental hoops you have to jump through before you can do anything with it.

 

Saying the privates don't have as many resources as public schools just doesn't ring true with me after my experience working in and around several different private schools in the state.

 

Fewer resources...maybe, but debateable in my book.

 

More freedom to allocate resources as you see fit...definitely.

 

RE: Resources, a snippet from a prior post:

The government pays for public schools. Every penny for private schools comes from the pocket of private school supporters. If public school supporters merely supported their schools with a fraction of what private school supporters support their schools with, the public’s financial advantage over the privates would be staggering. .. one should not blame a competitor for working harder than he works. If private schools really have more money, why are private schools teachers paid less than public school teachers and why do they have fewer benefits? Indeed, often private schools have inferior facilities than public schools. As an example, look at Jefferson County area private schools. DeSales has never had a football stadium. St. Xavier is just getting one this year. To my knowledge, every public school in Jefferson County that plays football has their own stadium.

RE: Resources, a snippet from a prior post:

The government pays for public schools. Every penny for private schools comes from the pocket of private school supporters. If public school supporters merely supported their schools with a fraction of what private school supporters support their schools with, the public’s financial advantage over the privates would be staggering. .. one should not blame a competitor for working harder than he works. If private schools really have more money, why are private schools teachers paid less than public school teachers and why do they have fewer benefits? Indeed, often private schools have inferior facilities than public schools. As an example, look at Jefferson County area private schools. DeSales has never had a football stadium. St. Xavier is just getting one this year. To my knowledge, every public school in Jefferson County that plays football has their own stadium.

Thank you Diogenes. In NKY NewCath, Holy Cross, and Brossart have no stadium and no track. I personally know of a conversation at this year's track meet where a runner from Danville ask a runner from NCC where they practiced. The reply was "in our parking lot". The Danville girl was dumbfounded. This is the rule rather than the exception.

Parents who send their children to private schools choose to do so knowing they are paying for two school systems. This is there choice. However, having public school supporters even beginning to imply private schools have access to better facilities is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sure the 3 schools mentioned above would gladly trade athletic facilities with ANY public school in NKY.

The "resources" parochial schools have are parents who write the checks for tuition, books, football camp, meals, equipment, etc etc etc AND pay taxes to support the public schools.

I agree with this statement. Let me also add that they have much more flexibility in how they operate compared to a public school.

 

Public schools have to operate according to State regulations and mandates (IMO overregulation in many instances that are beyond common sense).

 

Let me also add that public schools must have parents that write checks for books, football camp, meals, equipment etc etc etc. Without the private contributions it would be impossible to have competitive athletic programs.

 

The biggest advantage a Catholic High School has is that they can draw the non-Catholic impact athlete from as far as a family is willing to commute, and give them significant financial aid. Many people call this a scholarship.

 

The biggest advantage a Catholic High School has is that they can draw the non-Catholic impact athlete from as far as a family is willing to commute, and give them significant financial aid. Many people call this a scholarship.

Every public school district in Kentucky has the option of drawing students from as far away as they find families willing to commute, just like the private schools. Many, if not most, choose not to. They may feel that they have good reasons for limiting their draw area, but don't complain when others choose a different course. If by financial aid you mean need based financial aid that is open to ALL students, the answer is yes. If you mean aid that is in any way influenced by athletic participation, it is against KHSAA rules and should be punished swiftly and severly. The private schools suggested increasing the KHSAA enforcement resources. The publics rejected the idea.

Fan, what do you call the full tuition scholarship that is given to every public school student? A good portion of them are subsidized even with reduced or free lunch.

 

As has already been established, private schools can give grants in aid up to 50%, as determined by an independent 3rd party who, contrary to popular belief among some, does not have access to 40 times.

Every public school district in Kentucky has the option of drawing students from as far away as they find families willing to commute, just like the private schools. Many, if not most, choose not to. They may feel that they have good reasons for limiting their draw area, but don't complain when others choose a different course. If by financial aid you mean need based financial aid that is open to ALL students, the answer is yes. If you mean aid that is in any way influenced by athletic participation, it is against KHSAA rules and should be punished swiftly and severly. The private schools suggested increasing the KHSAA enforcement resources. The publics rejected the idea.

 

I am not sure I follow the bolded. Perhaps you could explain.

 

And while I agree with your statement regarding Trinity's proposal that the KHSAA fund the hiring of investigators being rejected, I would add that in the discussion of same, the publics proposed that the private schools open their books and their test scores to public inspection, which was rejected by the privates. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

I am not sure I follow the bolded. Perhaps you could explain.

 

And while I agree with your statement regarding Trinity's proposal that the KHSAA fund the hiring of investigators being rejected, I would add that in the discussion of same, the publics proposed that the private schools open their books and their test scores to public inspection, which was rejected by the privates. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

 

Question:

 

Which books? They want the financial records of our families?

 

Test scores? Which ones? The placement test? The PSAT's? The ACT's? The SAT's?

 

Just curious as to the exact nature of the information that the public schoos are asking for.

If you mean aid that is in any way influenced by athletic participation, it is against KHSAA rules and should be punished swiftly and severly. The private schools suggested increasing the KHSAA enforcement resources. The publics rejected the idea.

Not a good move by the publics. This is someting that the publics should have accepted.

 

Let me state again as I have previously on BGP that I do not think that Prop 2 is the answer. I do not think there exists a level playing field anywhere in life. Also as I have said that any school, public or private, needs to worry most about what they can control. They need do do everything possible to develop their talent and create the most positive percetion about their schools and athletic programs in order to make them attractive to families and students.

 

With regard to current KHSAA rules. They need to be enforced.

You know it is really not worth the argument because if the private people thought the public were better funded, had better facilities etc. their children would attend those schools.

 

The entire reason the privates have overall better test scores is because of the parental involvement and the socio-economic class of the families. They do not have to take everyone and do not have to manage special ed programs, non-english speaking children etc. They do not have children who are hungry or have no pencils or paper.

 

I would put some of the public school children up against your privates anytime...it is just that we might have 25% of the kids with the advantages of the kids in the private schools and the privates have 95% As far as sports it is the same story, the kids that have some advantages do better. It is hard to excel at a sport when you can not even get a ride home from practice.

I still think that it was a bad move on the privates not to accept this compromise. I think it will just embolden the publics to seek out the split since the vote was so unanimous.

I still think that it was a bad move on the privates not to accept this compromise. I think it will just embolden the publics to seek out the split since the vote was so unanimous.

 

Accept which compromise? Prop 2? Or revealing confidential information about individual families?

Accept which compromise? Prop 2? Or revealing confidential information about individual families?

 

Proposal 2, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it keep a kid from playing for a year for both the public and private schools?

I would put some of the public school children up against your privates anytime...it is just that we might have 25% of the kids with the advantages of the kids in the private schools and the privates have 95% As far as sports it is the same story, the kids that have some advantages do better. It is hard to excel at a sport when you can not even get a ride home from practice.

 

And I would put some of the private school kids against public school kids anytime. So what? Great kids exist everywhere. Usually there is (at least) one great family member standing behind them too.

 

Why do so many public school supporters assume private=rich. Supporters of that equation exudes ignorance or blind aggression. You would be shocked at what private schooled kids have to go through in order to get to school in the morning, and then return home after practice in the evenings. Not to mention the Saturday meetings... Can't forget what the parents (heroes) go through in order to support their children (tuition, clothing, books, fees, lunch, rides, etc). Of course there are parents of public school kids that have the same challenges. Just don’t pretend it’s only one way.

Question:

 

Which books? They want the financial records of our families?

 

Test scores? Which ones? The placement test? The PSAT's? The ACT's? The SAT's?

 

Just curious as to the exact nature of the information that the public schoos are asking for.

 

During the discussion, inquiry was made as to whether the private schools would be willing to disclose the financial files of the private schools re: alumni giving, family financial statements, and the formula used by (in some cases outsourced) companies in arriving at financial aid figures.

 

In addition, there was discussion about disclosure of ACT/SAT tests (which some schools, like Trinity, were OK with, but others, like St. X, were not), admissions test results, and quarterly grade transcripts.

 

Some of those are already disclosed, others are not. Frankly, if I were a private school I wouldn't disclose them, either. I merely point out the fact as a point of further discussion.