July 14, 200719 yr Hearsay suggested we start this thread . . . he felt that it would be entertaining. I personally believe that true baptists are not protestant because we never were a part of the catholic church. Since we were never a part of the catholic church we never broke away, defected or came out of them. Many refer to those of us who hold this position as "Landmarkists", however, I hesitate to place a label. Oh yes, Hearsay, most who hold this position are also 5 point Calvinists. Once again, I prefer not to be labeled a Calvinist as these doctrines are from the Bible. Calvin just put them into an organized system---so to speak. Let the showdown begin.
July 14, 200719 yr This is an interesting article: http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Chester%20E.%20Tulga/baptists_not_protestants.htm
July 15, 200719 yr I believe any Christian organization that is not Catholic is Protestant. It began with Martin Luther as a "protest" against the traditional ways of the Catholic Church. Even if the faith was organized in recent years, it is still a "protest" Christian faith. Spin it anyway you wish, but that's how I see it.
July 15, 200719 yr Author This is an interesting article: http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Chester%20E.%20Tulga/baptists_not_protestants.htm This is an extremely good article. It lays out exactly why Baptists (refered to as Anabaptists in this article) were not and are not protestant. Most Baptists do not understand their roots and history and have bought into the idea of being protestant. We didn't protest against or come up from the catholic church and neither did we join with the reformers. I find that today, the independent missionary Baptists are the primary ones who still hold to our true origin and practice the faith of our forefathers the Anabaptists.:thumb:
July 15, 200719 yr Who cares? Do you really think that all Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church? It's just a way to group us. If you want to get techinical, the only other church that isn't Catholic are the Orthodox Church's since they came before Luther.
July 15, 200719 yr If you're a Christian and you're not a Catholic, then you are a Protestant. In whose opinion? I wonder if the name Protestant came about because of protests against Catholics in whenever time period that the term came about. So the Catholics simply labeled everyone that is not them as Protestants? I do not consider myself a Protestant. I consider myself a Christian. That is it. I consider myself the same as a Catholic, a Baptist, a whatever who believes Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior and strives to live their lives in that manner.
July 15, 200719 yr Ok how about the LDS,not protestants if you ask them.An If I might ask a quick questions is it the Baptists who believe once saved always saved? Thanks
July 15, 200719 yr In whose opinion? I wonder if the name Protestant came about because of protests against Catholics in whenever time period that the term came about. So the Catholics simply labeled everyone that is not them as Protestants? I do not consider myself a Protestant. I consider myself a Christian. That is it. I consider myself the same as a Catholic, a Baptist, a whatever who believes Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior and strives to live their lives in that manner. Bap·tist (băp'tĭst) n. A member of an evangelical Protestant church of congregational polity, following the reformed tradition in worship, and believing in individual freedom, in the separation of church and state, and in baptism of voluntary, conscious believers. baptist One that baptizes. http://www.answers.com/topic/baptist History of the Baptist Churches In Holland a group of English separatists, led by John Smyth, came under Mennonite influence and formed c.1608 in Amsterdam the first English Baptist congregation. Smyth baptized first himself, then the others. In 1611 certain members of this congregation returned to London and established a church there. This was the first of the churches afterward known as General Baptists, since they held the Arminian belief that the atonement of Jesus is not limited to the elect only but is general. In 1633 the Particular Baptists were founded. They were a group whose Calvinistic doctrine taught that atonement is particular or individual. Immersion was not yet insisted upon in these churches, but in 1644 seven Particular Baptist churches issued a confession of faith requiring that form of baptism, and Baptist was thenceforth the name given to those who practiced it. In 1891, General and Particular Baptists united into a single body called the Baptist Union of Great Britain and Ireland. In America it was Baptists of the Particular type that first gained influence among the Puritans and Calvinists, when Roger Williams and his companions in Rhode Island rejected infant baptism and established a church in 1639 based on the individual profession of faith. Baptists were later persecuted in New England for opposing infant baptism, and one group emigrated c.1684 from Maine to Charleston, S.C. A group of Separate Congregationalists from New England under Shubael Stearns and Daniel Marshall established (1755) the Separate Baptists in Sandy Creek, N.C. In the Southeast the General Baptist views found acceptance, but the stricter Calvinistic ideas suited the pioneers who settled the southern mountains after the Revolution. Their opposition to mission work gave them the name Anti-Mission. They were also called Hard Shell or Primitive Baptists. Early missionary activity extended the Baptist movement to the Continent and elsewhere. In the United States the American Baptist Missionary Union (under a longer title) was formed in 1814 to support workers in foreign lands. In 1832 the American Baptist Home Mission Society was organized. When the question of slavery became a dividing wall, the Southern Baptist Convention was established (1845). Bibliography See J. E. Tull, Shapers of Baptist Thought (1972); L. Davis, Immigrants, Baptists, and the Protestant Mind in America (1973); R. G. Torbet, A History of the Baptists (4th ed. 1975); W. H. Brachney, The Baptists (1988).
July 15, 200719 yr An If I might ask a quick questions is it the Baptists who believe once saved always saved? Thanks Yes
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