Y'all live in Rome? Rockmom I'm just messing, don't yell at me:jump:

 

The Anabaptists are very strict and I don't think they are still around.

 

I think its weird to have so many different man made faiths.

 

Freewill use to wash feet.

 

General, don't believe in OSAS (once saved, always saved).

Y'all live in Rome? Rockmom I'm just messing, don't yell at me:jump:

 

 

No...but I love Italian food, and I you might think I did if you knew my name. :lol:

Y'all live in Rome? Rockmom I'm just messing, don't yell at me:jump:

 

The Anabaptists are very strict and I don't think they are still around.

 

I think its weird to have so many different man made faiths.

 

Freewill use to wash feet.

 

General, don't believe in OSAS (once saved, always saved).

 

I asked my mother, a devout Christian/Baptist, about the belief of 'once saved, always saved' many years ago when I was still in college. I asked her why someone couldn't be saved, fall from grace, and then be re-saved. Her answer: they weren't saved to begin with, they only thought they were. So, if they felt they were being saved for a second time, they were mistaken. They had never been saved in the first place, so the second time around was actually their first. In her belief once you were truly saved you could never fall from grace.

I asked my mother, a devout Christian/Baptist, about the belief of 'once saved, always saved' many years ago when I was still in college. I asked her why someone couldn't be saved, fall from grace, and then be re-saved. Her answer: they weren't saved to begin with, they only thought they were. So, if they felt they were being saved for a second time, they were mistaken. They had never been saved in the first place, so the second time around was actually their first. In her belief once you were truly saved you could never fall from grace.

 

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy many years ago in Boy Scouts. He came at me with that OSAS stuff, and tried to tell me that even if he went out and murdered someone, he was OK in God's eyes because he was saved. I had considered him an intellectual equal up until that point.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy many years ago in Boy Scouts. He came at me with that OSAS stuff, and tried to tell me that even if he went out and murdered someone, he was OK in God's eyes because he was saved. I had considered him an intellectual equal up until that point.

 

It appears your friend also considered you an "intellectual equal" and did not explain it well enough.

 

I have noted, however, through conversations with friends of the same faith and even of the same church, that there are many different interpretations of the once saved always saved concept. Without claiming to be anyone's intellectual equal nor claiming to have the end-all solution, here is my take on the subject.

 

First of all, sin is sin. While some are certainly much more heinous than others, stealing a candy bar from the 7-11 or commiting murder have the same consequences. Being saved does not give one carte blanche to commit sins. However, being human and far from perfect, we will fail from time to time. I believe that when one is saved, all past sins are wiped clean and one begins anew and with the ability to have all future sins forgiven simply by confessing the sin and asking Jesus to intercede on our behalf. As simple as this sounds, I believe one must be truly remorseful and honestly repentent and sincere in asking forgiveness. The six year old's version of "I'm sorry" to avoid a spanking will not work here.

 

Although the methods differ greatly, I don't see this as all that different from the Catholic tradition of going to confessional.

I'll start a new thread on OSAS, but I need to know if we had done one recently. Or someone just go a head and start one. I've done a study on this and have several verses and comments. Or everyone just come over to my house, we will eat burgers and sweet tea.

It appears your friend also considered you an "intellectual equal" and did not explain it well enough.

 

I have noted, however, through conversations with friends of the same faith and even of the same church, that there are many different interpretations of the once saved always saved concept. Without claiming to be anyone's intellectual equal nor claiming to have the end-all solution, here is my take on the subject.

 

First of all, sin is sin. While some are certainly much more heinous than others, stealing a candy bar from the 7-11 or commiting murder have the same consequences. Being saved does not give one carte blanche to commit sins. However, being human and far from perfect, we will fail from time to time. I believe that when one is saved, all past sins are wiped clean and one begins anew and with the ability to have all future sins forgiven simply by confessing the sin and asking Jesus to intercede on our behalf. As simple as this sounds, I believe one must be truly remorseful and honestly repentent and sincere in asking forgiveness. The six year old's version of "I'm sorry" to avoid a spanking will not work here.

 

Although the methods differ greatly, I don't see this as all that different from the Catholic tradition of going to confessional.

 

He was pretty adamant that it did. And his daddy was a preacher, so it's not too hard to figure out where the idea got into his head.

He was pretty adamant that it did. And his daddy was a preacher, so it's not too hard to figure out where the idea got into his head.

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

 

If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

 

Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

It appears your friend also considered you an "intellectual equal" and did not explain it well enough.

 

I have noted, however, through conversations with friends of the same faith and even of the same church, that there are many different interpretations of the once saved always saved concept. Without claiming to be anyone's intellectual equal nor claiming to have the end-all solution, here is my take on the subject.

 

First of all, sin is sin. While some are certainly much more heinous than others, stealing a candy bar from the 7-11 or commiting murder have the same consequences. Being saved does not give one carte blanche to commit sins. However, being human and far from perfect, we will fail from time to time. I believe that when one is saved, all past sins are wiped clean and one begins anew and with the ability to have all future sins forgiven simply by confessing the sin and asking Jesus to intercede on our behalf. As simple as this sounds, I believe one must be truly remorseful and honestly repentent and sincere in asking forgiveness. The six year old's version of "I'm sorry" to avoid a spanking will not work here.

 

Although the methods differ greatly, I don't see this as all that different from the Catholic tradition of going to confessional.

I respect your belief, but the part I have bolded has always given me problems. I don't agree with it, never have. You can quote scripture till the cows come home. What type of God would equate stealing a candy bar with murder? I just don't understand that. A God like that would make me very unreligious in a hurry.