Well, to be clear here, I hate Thurman because he screwed the Bengals last season. But why an informal, non-law enforcment investiagtion into a matter in which the proper law enforcement/court officials have already decided not to file charges? Because at this point, there is legally nothing from which Thurman has to be "cleared" - other than public perception and forums like this, neither of which will decide whether he gets reinstated anyways.

 

OK, try this analogy, if rape victim recants and refuses to cooperate with the investigation which leads to a jurisdiction withdrawing a charge/complaint against the alleged perpetrator does that mean the rape didn't happen?

 

Put it this way since you self-disclosed, if OT was applying for your job would your employer look into this recent incident? You are dag gone right they would and the NFL shouldn't be any different because they have a lot to lose by burying their head in the sand.

So you are willing to trust the NFL "legal team" over the officers on the scene? I'm sure both sides would get along well...

 

You are missing the point gt. It is not an us against them thing. In the case of the courts there is not sufficient evidence to proceed in the case but that shouldn't preclude the NFL from learning the rest of the story.

:laugh: :laugh: Only laughing because I am a federal agent who has to follow the straight and narrow. But I would warn all those private investigators who choose not to do so that they can be arrested and prosecuted for breaking the law just as easily as one of our wayward Bengals players.

 

That is not exactly what I meant. The NFL has an endless bankroll and that can open a lot of doors that are not always available to traditional law enforcement. My point is, the NFL has the ability to fight fire with fire to find the truth.

OK, try this analogy, if rape victim recants and refuses to cooperate with the investigation which leads to a jurisdiction withdrawing a charge/complaint against the alleged perpetrator does that mean the rape didn't happen?

 

Put it this way since you self-disclosed, if OT was applying for your job would your employer look into this recent incident? You are dag gone right they would and the NFL shouldn't be any different because they have a lot to lose by burying their head in the sand.

 

If she recants her prior statements, then yes, in the eyes of the law the rape didn't happen. In reality, sure it could have. But if the victim has changed her story and is no longer cooperating, there is little law enforcement and the prosecutor can do. And there would be even littler that an NFL investigator looking into this matter could do, other than talk to the investigating officer, and then guess and speculate what happened. Guesses and speculation would hardly be enough to either implicate or extricate the person you are investigating.

 

If OT was applying for my job - heaven forbid - his background inveatigation would be incredibly detailed and I'm certain they would talk to the investigating officers. From that and other issues they've looked into, they would draw certain inferences and opinions to make a decision as to whether OT was of the character to be a federal agent (he's NOT). But that is a different animal that coming to the decision to end a man's football career. What is the burden of proof required, given you aren't in an actual court of law? Beyond a reasonable doubt? A preponderance of the evidence? Just a mere suspicion? And who will the NFL use as the judge/court when making this assessment? Awful lot of gray areas once it determined to be cleared and removed from the true criminal arena.

The NFL is a lot lot BGP, it is a Benevolent Dictatorship (more so at BGP).

 

My point is, the NFL already passes judgment on these guys (i.e. the recent CH and PacMan suspensions) and if they are going to pass judgment they have a duty to make informed decisions.

That is not exactly what I meant. The NFL has an endless bankroll and that can open a lot of doors that are not always available to traditional law enforcement. My point is, the NFL has the ability to fight fire with fire to find the truth.

 

Now you have me curious. Name a door I can't open during the course of one of my investigations that your NFL invesitgator can. I have these nice little things called grand jury subpoenas that seem to get me information anytime someone is less than willing to provide. Your NFL investigator won't have them. I assume you are saying that your NFL investigator has a thick wad of working cash and can buy information. And when it turns out that information is bogus, he loses his money. When I find out information someone gave me for the grand jury is bogus, the court issues a warrant for their arrest. I like my odds of getting to the truth better, but admittedly I am biased.

The NFL is a lot lot BGP, it is a Benevolent Dictatorship (more so at BGP).

 

My point is, the NFL already passes judgment on these guys (i.e. the recent CH and PacMan suspensions) and if they are going to pass judgment they have a duty to make informed decisions.

 

But aren't they already? Don't they obtain all of the avaiable police and court records (which include witness statements, evidence, statement by suspect) and also then have a sit-down talk with the player in trouble prior to passing judgment on him? I'm just not aware that another step - sending in an NFL investigator to dig for more information - is being used. If it is and there's a clear policy in place, then that's fine. But not to make one up now on the spur of the moment just for this Thurman thing.

Now you have me curious. Name a door I can't open during the course of one of my investigations that your NFL invesitgator can. I have these nice little things called grand jury subpoenas that seem to get me information anytime someone is less than willing to provide. Your NFL investigator won't have them. I assume you are saying that your NFL investigator has a thick wad of working cash and can buy information. And when it turns out that information is bogus, he loses his money. When I find out information someone gave me for the grand jury is bogus, the court issues a warrant for their arrest. I like my odds of getting to the truth better, but admittedly I am biased.

 

NFL players can't plead the 5th in an NFL investigation that has been put to rest by the court of proper jurisdiction.

 

You are missing my point. Justice for the rich is different than justice for the poor. NFL players normally have a lot of money and through their "people" and money they can make things happen/go away. All I am saying is the NFL has more money and power than any individual NFL player so the NFL can fight fire with fire.

But aren't they already? Don't they obtain all of the avaiable police and court records (which include witness statements, evidence, statement by suspect) and also then have a sit-down talk with the player in trouble prior to passing judgment on him? I'm just not aware that another step - sending in an NFL investigator to dig for more information - is being used. If it is and there's a clear policy in place, then that's fine. But not to make one up now on the spur of the moment just for this Thurman thing.

 

I agree Thurman shouldn't be singled out but at some point you have to draw that line in the sand and tell everyone from now on we are doing our own independent investigations on every incident involving an NFL player.

I don't think he choose to have some clowns make up some garbage lies...

 

Do you really think they're all garbage?

I'm still losing respect for Thurman over this, even if he's not in the wrong. Hire a body guard/driver and stay out of trouble. I'm sure there are plenty of D1 guys that couldn't hack it in the NFL that he could hire for this position.

I Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? After 4 days I don't have an answer to any of the 5 questions.

There's 6 questions there.....

I'm still losing respect for Thurman over this, even if he's not in the wrong.

Seems fair..... :rolleyes: :irked:

I'm still losing respect for Thurman over this, even if he's not in the wrong. Hire a body guard/driver and stay out of trouble. I'm sure there are plenty of D1 guys that couldn't hack it in the NFL that he could hire for this position.

 

The most telling thing about Thurman in this entire affair - whatever it was - was that it occurred less than two days after he stood supposedly contrite and humble in front of a judge during his DUI sentencing, telling his honor that he had learned a valuable lesson. Then two nights later he's involved in something - maybe his involvment was next-to-nothing or even nothing at all - but why even put yourself in a situation that could be a potential problem? Rent some movies, order some pizzas, and keep your ignorant self quiet at least until June 11 when you can apply for reinstatement. I think it's a pretty clear indication that: 1) the man ain't too bright, and 2) he ain't gonna avoid trouble for too long.

From today's AP:

 

Chrissy Pitts, deputy clerk of the Jasper County, Ga., Magistrate Court, said papers seeking to dismiss the case were being filed by the complainants. She said she did not know what prompted their decision not to move forward with their accusations.

 

"It was settled," Pitts said. "We aren't aware of any terms that were involved in the settlement. That was between the attorneys and the parties. They just filed the dismissal with us."

 

 

Anyone reading $$$ into this?