That is what I was thinking, but it does not sound fair does it?

After 18 years of studying test scores for the district I teach in, the final tests scores do not really reflect what is going on at your school and they might also.

 

My school is also a school not doing too well per NCLB BUT we are because of one group. Males on free and reduced lunch are not scoring to the level they should. So we are a school not doing well.

 

Females, right on track.

AP kids, doing great.

Resource kids, doing wonderful.

etc, etc, etc.

 

But because of ONE GROUP OF STUDENTS we are labeled as not having met our goal.

 

I say this because your school may be in a similar situation. Why are they a school in decline? Is it a complete school issue on every level? Is it based on a specific grouping of students that your son does not fit in? Maybe the school is doing great based on test results of the group your son fits in.

After 18 years of studying test scores for the district I teach in, the final tests scores do not really reflect what is going on at your school and they might also.

 

My school is also a school not doing too well per NCLB BUT we are because of one group. Males on free and reduced lunch are not scoring to the level they should. So we are a school not doing well.

 

Females, right on track.

AP kids, doing great.

Resource kids, doing wonderful.

etc, etc, etc.

 

But because of ONE GROUP OF STUDENTS we are labeled as not having met our goal.

I say this because your school may be in a similar situation. Why are they a school in decline? Is it a complete school issue on every level? Is it based on a specific grouping of students that your son does not fit in? Maybe the school is doing great based on test results of the group your son fits in.

Great point. There are like 16 areas that are tested. If your school fails one of those areas then your school is in decline with NCLB. Im not exactly sure but I believe there where only around 5 public schools in Jefferson Co. that passed NCLB.

Those are great points! I hope that my son is in a category that is right on track! I do know though that there is a school that passed all 16 parts of the NCLB! I was just curious why could not my son go and learn and maybe play at this other school, if the federal mandate says that he could move! To me it would be like saying if putting it in a sports context "Hey hold out, we are an up and moving organization, stay with us, we will get there, or I could go to the Super Bowl champs who are on top of the world right now, especially since I know my time is limited".

You are free to move schools free of charge but you would have to abide by the KHSAA rules concerning sports.

You are free to move schools free of charge but you would have to abide by the KHSAA rules concerning sports.

In Jefferson Co. the board controls where you can transfer to. Its been a big problem because not enough schools qualified under NCLB to handle all the kids who could possibly transfer. At the middle school level the board created Virtual schools. Kids that choose virtual schools work on computers all day and have no athletics. Most think Virtual schools were created to dissuade parents from transferring their kids. There are Virtual schools currently at Valley and Fairdale High Schools.

I live in a county that only one school qualifies, and they are not that big! I would just like to see my kid not get punished because of the job the school system is doing.

What county is this and why are you making such a big deal of it? Is that the only selling point for the school in which you wish " your son" to play for next year? What about his lifelong friends, his self esteem as well as his feelings about changing schools for NCLB? Is this a major indicator of future academic success? Parents can read the ACT scores, college entrance success rates, coaches won loss record, etc. But ultimately high school is about the relationships one builds. If you have waited until high school to worry about your childs academic potential, then I am afraid my friend it might be a little too late. Perhaps, some tutors, computor aided education or other services might be in order. I would look to other reasons as the background for takin my child elsewhere. NCLB looks great on paper, but does it actually measure how well a school is preparing the normal child for the future?

NCLB does not measure the child, its measures the school and the school's performance. High school is not about relationship-building, no matter how good we want to feel about ourselves. It is about college preparation and/or market training. There is a direct and documented correlation between performance on the ACT and performance in college. If you are sending your child to prepare for college and post-high school employment, then test scores are, and have always been, a good indicator of the general environment in which your school is ready to prepare your child.

look as I said earlier, I dropped the ball on this, I should have investigated the school more closely when we moved. I am already in the process of transferring my son to the other school. I just don't like that my son has to sit out a year, because of my choice to send him to better school, according to the only benchmark that matters right now! Still though no one has answered my question on why doesn't the KHSAA recognize the NCLB? If the rational is good behind the idea, then this pill might be a bit easier to swallow!

look as I said earlier, I dropped the ball on this, I should have investigated the school more closely when we moved. I am already in the process of transferring my son to the other school. I just don't like that my son has to sit out a year, because of my choice to send him to better school, according to the only benchmark that matters right now! Still though no one has answered my question on why doesn't the KHSAA recognize the NCLB? If the rational is good behind the idea, then this pill might be a bit easier to swallow!

There are many that don't believe the rational behind NCLB is good. The national teacher's association stands against NCLB as a good idea.

Still though no one has answered my question on why doesn't the KHSAA recognize the NCLB? If the rational is good behind the idea, then this pill might be a bit easier to swallow!

 

The KHSAA is an athletic organization first and foremost. Fair play is their goal. Using academics as a valid reason to circumvent the transfer rule opens up Pandora's box.

look as I said earlier, I dropped the ball on this, I should have investigated the school more closely when we moved. I am already in the process of transferring my son to the other school. I just don't like that my son has to sit out a year, because of my choice to send him to better school, according to the only benchmark that matters right now! Still though no one has answered my question on why doesn't the KHSAA recognize the NCLB? If the rational is good behind the idea, then this pill might be a bit easier to swallow!

 

NCLB is not the only benchmark that matters. Again, it you are really concerned about your sons education, go and meet the teachers and administrators. Ask which indicators on the NCLB caused them to fall below the required benchmarks, and what steps the school is taking to correct the shortcomings. Ask what the average ACT scores of college prep. kids are to see if they are above, below, or even with the national averages. Of course, the ACT is norm referenced so the schools scores should be average. Get involved in your child's education outside of just moving him to a new school. This is the #1 indicator of student success. There is all kinds of information you could gather if you simply go and ask.

 

The KHSAA does recognize NCLB it just hasn't put that into one of the exceptions for participation after a move. The KHSAA rule is (paraphrased) Anyone who changes schools after appearing in a varsity game in anysport must sit out 365 days from the last participation. That is the rule, then there are some exceptions to that rule.

 

No AD in their right mind would move to change that exception b/c they understand how the NCLB works and how one area can bring down the entire school, and it is the ADs who are the first line in creating/changing KHSAA policies.

 

If you want it changed, then begin lobbying your SBDM and school administrators to convince the AD to prepare an amendment to the by-laws to be presented at the next delegate assembly.

To everyone that has posted: Thanks for the input I really appreciate it. If everyone agrees to the rational behind KHSAA's stance on NCLB; then it must be fine! I guess we can let this thread die, again thanks everyone!

Yes, some Kentucky kids/schools are doing well, but when you compare them to what others are doing nationwide, they are still lagging behind, so you can have what you are stating above. If we as a Commonwealth and or citizens didn't have to compete with other states for jobs etc. then there would be no problem but we do, so our kids while they are increasing their own CATS scores which is great, seem to be keep falling behind compared to others nationwide.....

 

You know the one big problem with the CATS testing in Kentucky is that you are comparing yourself against yourself. I love the idea of using the ACT test as a tool to see how Kentucky ranks against other states and students. When my daughter was in grade school the Catholic Grade School she attended used (I think they were called) California Aptitude Test. These test showed how your school, and your child were doing, compared to the rest of the Country, not just against Kentucky, and her school and my daughter did rather well on these tests....compared to the rest of the Country....

 

CTBS Tests?

 

The ACT is making its way back into the formula for assessing schools within CATS.

Is the ACT discriminatory to large urban schools, which have a fair amount of students who will not be going to college?

 

BTW, the NCLB is an unfunded mandate.

CTBS Tests?

 

The ACT is making its way back into the formula for assessing schools within CATS.

Is the ACT discriminatory to large urban schools, which have a fair amount of students who will not be going to college?

 

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I agree. Its a waste of time to force kids who have no desire to go to college to a)take the test and b)use it as a measure. If I'm one of those kids, I have no intent on giving any effort. Why would I? I'm not going to college.

 

The ACT is a way to determine if kids are ready for certain colleges. Period.