Steroid-less Bonds leading NL in HR's

[All In]

Had 26 in 130 games last year,at the top this year. This after 2 years of steroid talk. This guy is a hall of famer,period. He hit the ball for average and power at 180 pounds and still at 43(without steroids).

[BigBlueFreak]

He's innocent until proven guilty! I can't wait to see him break the record.

[bugatti]

He's innocent until proven guilty! I can't wait to see him break the record.

If he were going before a judge and a jury, that is a good way to approach it, but I think in the court of public opinion, and in the rational of about 99.5% of America, the guy was doing steroids. However, I am not like most because I could care less about his steroid usage - BASEBALL and its management were the problem during the steroid age, not Barry Bonds. He is one of probably a few hundred using. Just no person imagined Barry (which was a jerk before he was juicing) would ever come close to eclipsing about the only thing baseball holds on to and known for... the HR record. Everyone knew it was going on, but homers were being hit left and right across the league. The league was fun and revenue was good.

[cch5432]

No doubt he is one of the 5 greatest hitters of all time (although I would have a tough time finishing off that list). Doesn't mean he still didn't cheat.

[UKMustangFan]

^I'll give it a shot....

 

1) Ted Williams

2) Ty Cobb

3) Stan Musial

4) Barry Bonds

5) Babe Ruth

 

I know I'm leaving some no-brainers out, but that's what I came up with off the top of my head.

[ActionDan]

I would definitely put Ruth in front of Bonds. .342 career BA, 714 HRs, over 2200 RBIs and did all of that in 1100 or so less ABs.

[oldrambler]

UKmustang if you are talking just pure hitters and not just power hitting alone I would add Pete Rose, Rod Carew, Roberto Clemente, Willie Mays, Paul Molitor, Tony Gwynn, Kirby Puckett, Nomar Garciaparra, Derek Jeter, Joe Dimmagio, Lou Gehrig and probably some others I am not thinking of along with your mention of Ted Williams, T. Cobb, S. Musial, and Babe Ruth all or most possibly ahead of Bonds.

 

These are just some that I thought of off the top of my head.

[oldrambler]

I would definitely put Ruth in front of Bonds. .342 career BA, 714 HRs, over 2200 RBIs and did all of that in 1100 or so less ABs.

:thumb: and he did it on hot dogs and beer, not the juice! :lol:

 

Balco Barry does lead in the all time cap size dept.. LOL

[dinoradja]

He may not be taking steroids but he could still be juicing. They are not allowed to test for human growth hormones.

[oldrambler]

He may not be taking steroids but he could still be juicing. They are not allowed to test for human growth hormones.

Who is to say that he is still not taking the roids? As long as he has obviously done it I would think that he would have "beat the system" plan/plans down to science. JMO.

[dinoradja]

Who is to say that he is still not taking the roids? As long as he has obviously done it I would think that he would have "beat the system" plan/plans down to science. JMO.

That might be true, but he can still be tested for them, steroids, but cannot be tested for human growth hormones. We can all thank the Players Union for that little deal.

[UKMustangFan]

Who is to say that he is still not taking the roids? As long as he has obviously done it I would think that he would have "beat the system" plan/plans down to science. JMO.

 

 

Who's to say that he ever did??

[stickymitts]

I don't know too many people that say he's a bad ballplayer and is not one of the best ever. Also don't know too many people that say he's a great guy and an ambassador of the game...

 

And for that I don't want him to break the record...

[Wireman]

I would definitely put Ruth in front of Bonds. .342 career BA, 714 HRs, over 2200 RBIs and did all of that in 1100 or so less ABs.

 

He also did it against mediocre pitchers that didn't rest and most likely didn't throw over 90MPH.

[dinoradja]

Babe Ruth played in the same era as some incredible pitchers, Walter Johnson being one of them. Johnson threw well over 90, I would feel very confident in saying that. They called him "The Big Train" for a very good reason. Also keep in mind that the ball at that time was not nearly as dense as it is now so it did not carry nearly as easy and the ball fields were for the most part very large, Ruth played many seasons in the Polo Grounds where centerfield was about 500 feet. Nothing can be taken away from what Babe Ruth accomplished, especially in the light that he was a hall of fame caliber pitcher for about 5 or 6 seasons before becoming a full time outfielder. Ruth had a career record of 94-46 and an era lifetime of just a little over 2.20. Bonds is great but never will he be to baseball what Babe Ruth was and is to this day.