35 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

I'm not a teacher (but I have two kids that are), but I can't imagine asking a student of mine to babysit or do any job/work for me. Too many potential issues if something were to go wrong. And other professions do have the same sort of issues. I've managed people for many years, and have had to maintain boundaries with those I supervise. I could never ask someone from a team that I manage to babsysit, or do work for me. Communication wise it's the same thing...all communication has to go through approved channels, ie email, slack/company instant messaging etc. It's just not a good idea to entangle your personal life with anyone you manage, teach or otherwise have some position of power over.

It'd be hard for me as well but I find that this is common, largely due to relationships people may form through church or other community groups.  And based on the guidelines, this could possibly apply to asking ANY student from anywhere to do what I described, so that casts a pretty broad net depending on your interpretation of regulations.  It's not just "from your team."  It could be anyone at all who is a student on any team.

I am still looking at this new law and thinking it only applies to public schools and not private schools.  

Anyone?

14 minutes ago, theguru said:

I am still looking at this new law and thinking it only applies to public schools and not private schools.  

Anyone?

Private school teacher friends have said it does not apply to them.  Which makes zero sense to me.

7 hours ago, No Hiding Here....BC 21 said:

All that you mentioned are traceable.  Even if it has been deleted, it can be recovered.

What isn't "traceable", the phone call.  Which from what I've read is still allowed.  Yes, you'll be able to tell a phone call was made or received, what you won't know is what was said.  Now you've opened up the he/she said vs he/she said can of worms.

The few years I was coaching baseball & took care of the field, which I did mainly in the evenings throughout the year.  Kids would text me & see if I was there or ask when I'd be there so they could come hit or get bullpens in.  Yes, they can still do that, but this "new way" seems a little more out of the way than a quick text for all involved.

Some of those are easily traceable but many require a warrant to do so.

If you don't call your students you never put yourself in a he/she said vs he/she said situation.

You can easily post on your Facebook, I'll be working on the field today from 6 til 8. Kids can just look and see without bothering you with a text.

There are easy common sense work arounds for nearly every exception that has been brought up by everyone.

1 minute ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Some of those are easily traceable but many require a warrant to do so.

If you don't call your students you never put yourself in a he/she said vs he/she said situation.

You can easily post on your Facebook, I'll be working on the field today from 6 til 8. Kids can just look and see without bothering you with a text.

There are easy common sense work arounds for nearly every exception that has been brought up by everyone.

I don't know that I agree on Facebook, if a student likes (or responds to the post in any manner) then the two of you have communicated on Facebook.  I say that is a no go.

1 minute ago, theguru said:

I don't know that I agree on Facebook, if a student likes (or responds to the post in any manner) then the two of you have communicated on Facebook.  I say that is a no go.

They wouldn't need to like or respond, can just see when the coach will be at the field. You can turn off comments on Facebook post, so that would help. 

Point is there are ways to do it without violating the new law.

3 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

They wouldn't need to like or respond, can just see when the coach will be at the field. You can turn off comments on Facebook post, so that would help. 

Point is there are ways to do it without violating the new law.

Maybe but if I was in charge of a school system there is no way I am taking any chances on a platform like Facebook.  Just no way...

8 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Some of those are easily traceable but many require a warrant to do so.

If you don't call your students you never put yourself in a he/she said vs he/she said situation.

You can easily post on your Facebook, I'll be working on the field today from 6 til 8. Kids can just look and see without bothering you with a text.

There are easy common sense work arounds for nearly every exception that has been brought up by everyone.

There are workarounds to everything, good or bad.  It's just the ease of it all.

Plus putting it out there on Facebook opens it up to the public showing up.  Plus as most are aware, there are only a handful that reach out to get the extra work in.

And for the record, I'll be signing the waiver(s).

Just now, No Hiding Here....BC 21 said:

There are workarounds to everything, good or bad.  It's just the ease of it all.

Plus putting it out there on Facebook opens it up to the public showing up.  Plus as most are aware, there are only a handful that reach out to get the extra work in.

And for the record, I'll be signing the waiver(s).

I understand the premise but I am not sure I agree and I definitely wouldn't phrase it that way if I were in charge.  The school system in question is just asking for trouble and a couple of schools will probably need to be made examples of to show all the other schools workarounds and end arounds are not going to work. 

8 minutes ago, New Colonel said:

Private school teacher friends have said it does not apply to them.  Which makes zero sense to me.

It makes sense to me (and generally speaking here) because regulating private entities is much more difficult/challenging than regulating public entities.

Additionally, Diocesan Virtus Guidelines already regulate communication between private school employees and students meaning the private schools have been way ahead of the curve on this issue. 

10 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

They wouldn't need to like or respond, can just see when the coach will be at the field. You can turn off comments on Facebook post, so that would help. 

Point is there are ways to do it without violating the new law.

Not needing to and having the ability to are two different things.  Again, no way I am taking that kind of chance. 

4 minutes ago, theguru said:

It makes sense to me (and generally speaking here) because regulating private entities is much more difficult/challenging than regulating public entities.

Additionally, Diocesan Virtus Guidelines already regulate communication between private school employees and students meaning the private schools have been way ahead of the curve on this issue. 

Been thru Virtus and kept up on it for a decade.  The training isn't anywhere close to robust and is common sense.  I don't think they have been ahead of this at all in my personal opinion.  Private school coaches and teachers communicate regularly thru means discussed in this thread.

My personal opinion is this is going to hurt more kids than it protects.  

16 minutes ago, theguru said:

I understand the premise but I am not sure I agree and I definitely wouldn't phrase it that way if I were in charge.  The school system in question is just asking for trouble and a couple of schools will probably need to be made examples of to show all the other schools workarounds and end arounds are not going to work. 

I'm not talking about if I were in charge.  I was just speaking in general terms as far as this conversation.

There are going to be more than a few schools/teachers/coaches that get made examples of.  Unfortunately, I think most will get there because of something unintended because of such gray areas.
IE, Who is or isn't considered a family member?

Here's an unexpected development...

8 minutes ago, No Hiding Here....BC 21 said:

I'm not talking about if I were in charge.  I was just speaking in general terms as far as this conversation.

There are going to be more than a few schools/teachers/coaches that get made examples of.  Unfortunately, I think most will get there because of something unintended because of such gray areas.
IE, Who is or isn't considered a family member?

I wasn't trying to put any words in your mouth.  Just trying to work through this just like you.  In short and for now, if it is not the school's approved, traceable communication system, I wouldn't be doing it.  That way, no one gets caught up in any gray areas.