1 hour ago, DragonFire said:

Greenwood sees those gold helmets and a lot of stuff flies out the window for them immediately. If they are ever to have an actual real chance at winning, they have got to survive the first and third quarters. I don’t track their scores closely, but I have this perception they often get punched in the mouth early and don’t recover. The times they withstand that, the third quarter often unravels them. I believe they’ve only played within single digits of Bowling Green twice ever.

I may go all the way back, but after my post I decided to go look at the quarter breakdown since the resumption of the series between the two back in 2011 - after a two year gap where Greenwood probably had they best team they've ever had and missed their chance to play because of petty scheduling concerns. 

Greenwood hasn't scored in the first quarter in the last seven meetings between the two.  In the 15 meetings between these teams from 2011 on, Greenwood has scored in the first quarter three times for a total of 17 points.  Bowling Green hasn't been held scoreless in the first quarter a single time in all of those meetings, and scored in double digits nine of the fifteen meetings.  Greenwood has trailed after the first quarter by an average score of 13.6-1.13.  To further put that problem into perspective - Greenwood has scored over 13.6 points for the entire game only three times in the last 15 meetings, so in general, the game is basically over after the first quarter.

Greenwood did lead at halftime in the 2017 playoff meeting (14-13) and led twice in the first half in 2015, at 7-0 and 14-7, settling into a tie at halftime at 14 all.  Bowling Green outscored them a combined 30-0 in the third quarter of those meetings.  Greenwood simply must find a way to start the halves better to have any shot at Bowling Green.

12 minutes ago, DragonFire said:

I may go all the way back, but after my post I decided to go look at the quarter breakdown since the resumption of the series between the two back in 2011 - after a two year gap where Greenwood probably had they best team they've ever had and missed their chance to play because of petty scheduling concerns. 

Greenwood hasn't scored in the first quarter in the last seven meetings between the two.  In the 15 meetings between these teams from 2011 on, Greenwood has scored in the first quarter three times for a total of 17 points.  Bowling Green hasn't been held scoreless in the first quarter a single time in all of those meetings, and scored in double digits nine of the fifteen meetings.  Greenwood has trailed after the first quarter by an average score of 13.6-1.13.  To further put that problem into perspective - Greenwood has scored over 13.6 points for the entire game only three times in the last 15 meetings, so in general, the game is basically over after the first quarter.

Greenwood did lead at halftime in the 2017 playoff meeting (14-13) and led twice in the first half in 2015, at 7-0 and 14-7, settling into a tie at halftime at 14 all.  Bowling Green outscored them a combined 30-0 in the third quarter of those meetings.  Greenwood simply must find a way to start the halves better to have any shot at Bowling Green.

Great breakdown.  It’s just too big of a talent and program gap. There’s a reason why Greenwood gets blowout in the first and third quarters most of the time. 

OK, now having gone all the way back to the beginning, here's some stats from the 33 previous meetings:

• 44 - The amount of total points Greenwood has scored in the first quarter.  That's an average of 1.33 points in the quarter per game.
• 33 - The amount of total points Greenwood has scored in the first quarter.  That's an easy average to calculate - it's 1 point per game in that quarter.
• 2.33 - I know you can do the math here but that's the total points on average the Gators have scored in the combined opening quarters.  That will not remotely keep you competitive.
• 2 - The amount of times Greenwood has held Bowling Green scoreless in the first quarter.
• 8 - The amount of times they kept them scoreless in the third quarter.
• 29.5 - The amount of points Bowling Green had already scored in the first half of those games where they went scoreless in the third quarter.  So you can kinda draw the conclusion on why there.
• 5 - The total number of games where Greenwood led at any point in the game, those coming in 1996, 2004, 2005, 2015, and 2017.
• 3 - The number of times Greenwood led at halftime (1996, 2004, 2017)
• 7 - The total number of points they scored in the third quarter after notching those halftime leads.  All seven coming in the 1996 meeting.
• 1 - The number of games they led at some point in the fourth quarter. Unsurprisingly, that's 1996.

The 1996 meeting is one that you kinda circle and wonder what the trajectory of Greenwood football might have been had they scratched out that win.  At the very least, the total losing streak wouldn't be hanging over them.  Played following a delay thanks to a torrential downpour on a muddy track, Greenwood jumped out to a 14-0 halftime lead and led 21-7 before giving up a 75 yard TD return.  They led 21-13 going into the fourth and 21-19 with less than four minutes left and with possession following a fumble at midfield.  They fumbled two plays later to turn it back over inside the Bowling Green 20.  On 3rd and 11 at their own 18, Bowling Green hit an 82 yard touchdown and the rest is history.  The 2004 meeting is the only other time Greenwood even came close.  Crazy to think that 26 years ago the defending state champion Purples were the ones that nearly gave up the lone loss.

Encyclopedia DragonFire, thank you!

3 minutes ago, DragonFire said:

OK, now having gone all the way back to the beginning, here's some stats from the 33 previous meetings:

• 44 - The amount of total points Greenwood has scored in the first quarter.  That's an average of 1.33 points in the quarter per game.
• 33 - The amount of total points Greenwood has scored in the first quarter.  That's an easy average to calculate - it's 1 point per game in that quarter.
• 2.33 - I know you can do the math here but that's the total points on average the Gators have scored in the combined opening quarters.  That will not remotely keep you competitive.
• 2 - The amount of times Greenwood has held Bowling Green scoreless in the first quarter.
• 8 - The amount of times they kept them scoreless in the third quarter.
• 29.5 - The amount of points Bowling Green had already scored in the first half of those games where they went scoreless in the third quarter.  So you can kinda draw the conclusion on why there.
• 5 - The total number of games where Greenwood led at any point in the game, those coming in 1996, 2004, 2005, 2015, and 2017.
• 3 - The number of times Greenwood led at halftime (1996, 2004, 2017)
• 7 - The total number of points they scored in the third quarter after notching those halftime leads.  All seven coming in the 1996 meeting.
• 1 - The number of games they led at some point in the fourth quarter. Unsurprisingly, that's 1996.

The 1996 meeting is one that you kinda circle and wonder what the trajectory of Greenwood football might have been had they scratched out that win.  At the very least, the total losing streak wouldn't be hanging over them.  Played following a delay thanks to a torrential downpour on a muddy track, Greenwood jumped out to a 14-0 halftime lead and led 21-7 before giving up a 75 yard TD return.  They led 21-13 going into the fourth and 21-19 with less than four minutes left and with possession following a fumble at midfield.  They fumbled two plays later to turn it back over inside the Bowling Green 20.  On 3rd and 11 at their own 18, Bowling Green hit an 82 yard touchdown and the rest is history.  The 2004 meeting is the only other time Greenwood even came close.  Crazy to think that 26 years ago the defending state champion Purples were the ones that nearly gave up the lone loss.

Great research!  The 1996 game was a complete mud bowl.  It was almost record breaking rain for a couple of hours up to game time.

 Could barely walk without falling.

I believe Greenwood led 21-0 at one point before melting down. But it wouldn’t have any long-term impact.  BG is 33-0 for a reason and it’s not because of head games.

 It’s because of the talent and program gap. Geenwood has never been nor is on BG’s level.

9 minutes ago, Killowatt59 said:

Great research!  The 1996 game was a complete mud bowl.  It was almost record breaking rain for a couple of hours up to game time.

 Could barely walk without falling.

I believe Greenwood led 21-0 at one point before melting down. But it wouldn’t have any long-term impact.  BG is 33-0 for a reason and it’s not because of head games.

 It’s because of the talent and program gap. Geenwood has never been nor is on BG’s level.

Gwood’s 2009 team seemed to be on the 2009 BG teams level. I could be wrong ??‍♂️
 

No need to constantly say Greenwood program is on the level of BG’s. I don’t think anyone is touting that here. Believe me, it’s tough to battle back from your school being split. BG hasn’t and will never have that problem to face. 

2 minutes ago, BIG BLACK JACK said:

Gwood’s 2009 team seemed to be on the 2009 BG teams level. I could be wrong ??‍♂️
 

No need to constantly say Greenwood program is on the level of BG’s. I don’t think anyone is touting that here. Believe me, it’s tough to battle back from your school being split. BG hasn’t and will never have that problem to face. 

What’s interesting here is South Warren has been way better than Greenwood ever has been. And South has reached levels Greenwood couldn’t ever have hoped for.  Greenwood never came close in 25 years or whatever before South even existed. Some interesting factors there.

Purples by 42.

1 hour ago, Killowatt59 said:

What’s interesting here is South Warren has been way better than Greenwood ever has been. And South has reached levels Greenwood couldn’t ever have hoped for.  Greenwood never came close in 25 years or whatever before South even existed. Some interesting factors there.

South was engineered to be what they are. And let’s be honest, they hit it out of the park getting Brandon Smith. They learned a lot from what Greenwood went through. 

6 hours ago, DragonFire said:

South was engineered to be what they are. And let’s be honest, they hit it out of the park getting Brandon Smith. They learned a lot from what Greenwood went through. 

Yes, they did things the right way when the school was built, in all sports. 

I was at “the swamp” in the downpour rain game in 96. Anyone that knows me knows how big of a Purples fan I am. 
 

To this day, I’ve never witnessed a more “miracle” win than what the Purples pulled off during that frog strangler night. 
 

Thinking the gold helmets would smell defeat that night, I made my way to the car. When the Purples miraculously came out on top I knew then that it would be many moons before the Gators would win against them. 
 

I am a realist, one day the Gators will get a win but I’m not sure it will be Friday night.
 

Purples 43

Gators 13 

1 hour ago, TheBarber said:

Yes, they did things the right way when the school was built, in all sports. 

"The right way", not sure some of the folks connected to Greenwood would say the same thing. If you can talk to some of the people connected to Greenwood's program for a while and talk to them off the record, you might get some interesting information. 

4 hours ago, TheBarber said:

Yes, they did things the right way when the school was built, in all sports. 

Elaborate lol.

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13 hours ago, BIG BLACK JACK said:

Gwood’s 2009 team seemed to be on the 2009 BG teams level. I could be wrong ??‍♂️
 

No need to constantly say Greenwood program is on the level of BG’s. I don’t think anyone is touting that here. Believe me, it’s tough to battle back from your school being split. BG hasn’t and will never have that problem to face. 

If only Greenwood played BG in 09...

Doesn't seem to be a lotta luv for Greenwood on this board.  I'm not from there so I have no idea.  I will say that I've been to recent sporting and school events and camps at South Warren, Warren East, Warren Central, Bowling Green, and Greenwood, and Greenwood appears to be in last place in the "upgrade to facilities" sweepstakes from new property taxation down there.  that's an outsider's perspective.  I've had two straight years of good experiences at their house with their fans, so perhaps my support for them comes not only from that, Lofton Howard, and an 80-man football roster, but that Greenwood seems treated like the poor relation down there.  Maybe its just me.