This is exactly why I'm in the camp that I'm in. In 16 years, Manning was never mentioned as one of the top 2-3 QB's in the league. There were always 3 or 4 guys (at least that were better), and the stats back that up. It gets difficult to compare stats when going across era's because the game has changed so much in the last 20 years. Winning a SB MVP is a nice accomplishment. Winning two is really nice. But that doesn't make or define a career. Nick Foles, Malcolm Smith, Joe Flacco, Santonio Holmes, Dexter Jackson, and Deion Branch (to name a few) all won Super Bowl MVP's. Would any of them be considered for the HOF if they had won a second? And to be fair, Eli has had a much better career than all those guys. But it shows that the award isn't necessarily the defining factor of whether you're a great player or not.

 

You destroyed your own argument by pointing out that Eli has had a much better career than all of those guys.

 

If Philip Rivers won 1 superbowl and was an MVP wouldn't you think he would be a good candidate for the HOF? Heck, some think he is a candidate already. Imagine if he had 2 super bowl rings and MVPS.

 

Many consider Roethlisberger a lock. He had much better defenses and didnt play nearly as good as Eli (especially in his first super bowl win).

 

Stats matter, and Eli has very good overall numbers. Super bowl wins, and MVPs matter. Having huge moments in NFL history matter.

 

Maybe one of those things alone doesnt get you in, but when you have em all, you're definitely in.

He is not elite, nor was he one of the best to do it in his era.

 

His dad and brother have more to do with getting in than his career statistics do. That's why people say he shouldn't get in but will.

 

Btw, He was absolutely one of the best to do it in his era.

 

How many others won as many super bowls and MVPs as him? Not to mention his numbers were consistently top 10, top 5 and sometimes top 2 or 3.

 

You might have an argument if Eli had top 3 defenses every year and rode that to his super bowls like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. That didnt happen.

This isn’t necessarily just about Eli, but the QB position is so unique in that you seldom - if ever - see any QB have a long career and not make it into the Hall. Other positions you see it and other players in other sports it occurs, but not really in the NFL.

Btw, He was absolutely one of the best to do it in his era.

 

How many others won as many super bowls and MVPs as him? Not to mention his numbers were consistently top 10, top 5 and sometimes top 2 or 3.

 

You might have an argument if Eli had top 3 defenses every year and rode that to his super bowls like Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. That didnt happen.

 

Consistent top 10 isn’t elite. Think Matthew Stafford, Donavan Mcnabb, Joe Flacco etc. A few years were you are top 2 or 3 just doesn’t seem to give you a claim to greatness.

Consistent top 10 isn’t elite. Think Matthew Stafford, Donavan Mcnabb, Joe Flacco etc. A few years were you are top 2 or 3 just doesn’t seem to give you a claim to greatness.

 

And Eli has more super bowl MVPs than those 3 have super bowl wins.

Btw, He was absolutely one of the best to do it in his era.

 

I disagree. No one, besides maybe you, would say that he was a top 5 QB in his era. To me, that means he was not one of the best in his era.

 

You and I will never agree on that, which is fine.

I disagree. No one, besides maybe you, would say that he was a top 5 QB in his era. To me, that means he was not one of the best in his era.

 

You and I will never agree on that, which is fine.

 

How many QBs played in the NFL while Eli played? Hundreds? If hes 6th best you dont consider him one of the best?

 

There's a debate to be had about a lot of things. But there are very few people in the world who have done the things Eli has done. Some only a handful have accomplished. To me, that makes you one of the best.

How many QBs played in the NFL while Eli played? Hundreds? If hes 6th best you dont consider him one of the best?

 

Correct. If you are outside of the top 5, then you should not be considered one of the best. And that's assuming he's right outside of the top 5, which I'm not sure that's where he would be placed.

 

30-40 years from now when a bunch of people our age are sitting around drinking coffee with their buddies and someone brings up the best QBs during the early 2000's (or really during any timeframe) Eli Manning will not be one that gets named outside of people like yourself, die hard Giants fans. That's reality. You disagree and that's fine but I have no doubt this will be true. So to me, definitely not considered one of the best.

How many QBs played in the NFL while Eli played? Hundreds? If hes 6th best you dont consider him one of the best?

 

There's a debate to be had about a lot of things. But there are very few people in the world who have done the things Eli has done. Some only a handful have accomplished. To me, that makes you one of the best.

Sure, he was "one of the best of his era", but obviously from the vantage of most, he would be on the low end of the "one of the best of their era" meter. Where that line in the sand is between that and a HOF enshrinement, we shall see.

 

For me, my general rule is if you have to make a case for a player, they do not belong in the HOF. If we are having to argue in/out, they shouldn't be in the HOF. Can people with no hesitation attach the qualifier "all time great player" in front of Eli's name?

Correct. If you are outside of the top 5, then you should not be considered one of the best. And that's assuming he's right outside of the top 5, which I'm not sure that's where he would be placed.

 

30-40 years from now when a bunch of people our age are sitting around drinking coffee with their buddies and someone brings up the best QBs during the early 2000's (or really during any timeframe) Eli Manning will not be one that gets named outside of people like yourself, die hard Giants fans. That's reality. You disagree and that's fine but I have no doubt this will be true. So to me, definitely not considered one of the best.

 

I disagree. Eli's performances in his two super bowls are more memorable than Drew Brees throwing a ton of TDs. People will remember the helmet catch and the heroics of the 4th quarter drives to take down a dynasty in the big game 2x, forever.

Sure, he was "one of the best of his era", but obviously from the vantage of most, he would be on the low end of the "one of the best of their era" meter. Where that line in the sand is between that and a HOF enshrinement, we shall see.

 

For me, my general rule is if you have to make a case for a player, they do not belong in the HOF. If we are having to argue in/out, they shouldn't be in the HOF. Can people with no hesitation attach the qualifier "all time great player" in front of Eli's name?

 

Every other player with 2 super bowl MVPs is in the HOF other than Brady, obviously. He deserves it and will get in.

I disagree. Eli's performances in his two super bowls are more memorable than Drew Brees throwing a ton of TDs. People will remember the helmet catch and the heroics of the 4th quarter drives to take down a dynasty in the big game 2x, forever.

 

Talking about a memorable play or a memorable games isn't the same as discussing who is the best.

 

No way in hell will people remember Eli Manning as one of the best over Drew Brees, unless maybe that person is a biased Giants fan. Will they remember Eli's Super Bowl win and the helmet catch over Brees' win? Sure. But that's a different discussion.

Talking about a memorable play or a memorable games isn't the same as discussing who is the best.

 

No way in hell will people remember Eli Manning as one of the best over Drew Brees, unless maybe that person is a biased Giants fan. Will they remember Eli's Super Bowl win and the helmet catch over Brees' win? Sure. But that's a different discussion.

 

Super bowl win(S).

 

And I never said someone would say Eli was better than Brees. Not sure where you got that.

 

I'm excited for when he does get in. Because he will get in.

First Eli/Peyton commercial I have seen since Eli retired. And its pretty good.

 

What a great career. Made a lot of money.