Sort of gives a whole new meaning to the song "We Are the Champions" eh.

 

 

The chorus keeps getting bigger.

The chorus keeps getting bigger.

 

Like Pink Floyd in concert with a full blown orchestra for accompaniment.

6 classes instead of 4 only means that instead of 12 great football programs competing for 4 titles (a 1/3 chance of winining) now 12 great programs will compete for 6 titles (a 1/2 chance of winning).

We award 4 state champions now. By awarding 6, is it really going to be that bad for football in the state of KY?

 

When we as a state went from honoring 3 state champions to 4 there was a huge outcry that 4 was too many. Now I would assume that it hasn't watered down the state finals too bad the past couple of years, I personally have seen some great games in that time (Male/Trinity, Highlands/Boyle) to name a few. We have also improved greatly in terms of football played across the state and we are turning out more D1 players now, as a state, than ever before. Going from 3 state champions to 4, AND the starting of Spring Football has improved football in our state tremendously. So is going from 8 teams playing at Papa John's in December to 12 teams playing at Papa John's in December going to actually HURT football in our state and water it down???

I think NOT. District play and some playoff games might be watered down, but I think in the long run it will increase the interest of the game in our basketball crazy state and we, as a state, will continue to turn out more and more better players.

This is true but i still don't like the new system of 6 class it dosn't really fix the problem now its kind of dumb to name SIX STATE CHAMPIONS it just dosn't sound right

 

I am not as concerned with the number of champions but getting alignments in order so that there isn't as much of a disparity in numbers between the largest and smallest in each class. There are classes in Florida which have fewer schools than Kentucky. And what about the 48 different state championship teams in California each year?

 

I still believe that you will see many of the same teams in the state title games but there won't be as much room to complain about disparity in numbers but just who has the better team/program.

I still believe that you will see many of the same teams in the state title games but there won't be as much room to complain about disparity in numbers but just who has the better team/program.

There will always be someone to complain ...

And what about the 48 different state championship teams in California each year?

 

That has been remedied somewhat this year. California remains split into all of those different sections, but it is also now split into a northern region and southern region. The CIF will choose the best team from each region and will play a "super bowl" of sorts for Division 1, 2 and 3. I know its not a playoff, and it borders on similar to the BCS, but its a step in the right direction.

Something people sometimes forget the population base teams like Beechwood, NCC, and Lexington Christian have to draw from as opposed to schools like Russellville, Pineville, and Crittenden County.

 

I think that's a bigger factor than actual school enrollment.

 

Could you elaborate a bit. I do not believe I understand your concept. Are you saying Team A has an advantage over Team B because of proximate population? Would this concept include the number of schools within a population boundary?

Something people sometimes forget the population base teams like Beechwood, NCC, and Lexington Christian have to draw from as opposed to schools like Russellville, Pineville, and Crittenden County.

 

I think that's a bigger factor than actual school enrollment.

 

 

But teams like Beechwood and NCC have much larger schools much closer to them geographically than Russellville, Pineville, and Crittenden County. CovCath and Dixie are what 3 miles from Beechwood and Highlands and Newport are 3 miles from NCC. Heck all 16 NKY schools are within 20 miles of each other.

So bigger population base but more schools.

Also wasn't the classification done by total inrollment in school before, now it's going on boy's inrollment now for the new classifcation?

 

I thought that too, but the existing classification does take it into account to some extent. For all male schools, they simply double the male enrollment and count that as the total enrollment. If you look at the current alignments and enrollments, one of the first columns on the spreadsheet is "Double," with an entry under it of "False" for most teams and "True" for all male schools. Then the total enrollment column simply becomes double the real enrollment.

 

As others have posted, many of these schools that could be in lower classes play up to keep up traditional rivalries that might have been broken by the new classes, as well as other competitive reasons. e.g. CovCath could have been 4A but will move up to 5A, partially because Highlands moved up from 3A to 5A and they don't want to lose a district rivalry.

Let's just go to one class and one championship.

 

Now, that's the right idea. Football is the only "team" sport classified in the first place. One class, one champ works in every other "team" sport. Let's give it a whirl in football.

According to the KHSAA 2006 football alignment.

 

Class A: 0-531 students

Class AA: 532-752 students

Class AAA: 753-1040 students

Class AAAA: 1041-and up + students

 

I can't believe I'm the only one that caught this, but in your original post you said Danville had 556 in enrollment. If your numbers in both posts are correct, doesn't that put them squarely in AA?

 

I understand there is sometimes a lag in reclassification (ala Mercer County), but it seems like if your numbers are correct, Danville was on their way out of class A anyway. Not a knock on Danville, you play where you're classified, but I think this was a poor example to open the whole can of worms.

I can't believe I'm the only one that caught this, but in your original post you said Danville had 556 in enrollment. If your numbers in both posts are correct, doesn't that put them squarely in AA?

 

I understand there is sometimes a lag in reclassification (ala Mercer County), but it seems like if your numbers are correct, Danville was on their way out of class A anyway. Not a knock on Danville, you play where you're classified, but I think this was a poor example to open the whole can of worms.

 

Both numbers came off the KHSAA website, so if it was a poor example you can blame the KHSAA for that. Look at Danville's roster for the 2006 state final game online at KHSAA.org and you will see that on the roster page it clearly states that Danville's enrollment is 556 students. Then if you go and click on the district alignments and cutoffs for each class link, you will clearly see that Class A is supposed to be 0-531 Students. I think this in itself clearly backs up the argument I was trying to make in my previous posts that some Class A schools HAVE to play other Class A schools that are twice their size to win a state championship. Something that doesn't happen in 2A or 3A.

 

If it was a poor example Sandman, then you can blame the KHSAA for the confusion, not me.

Both numbers came off the KHSAA website, so if it was a poor example you can blame the KHSAA for that. Look at Danville's roster for the 2006 state final game online at KHSAA.org and you will see that on the roster page it clearly states that Danville's enrollment is 556 students. Then if you go and click on the district alignments and cutoffs for each class link, you will clearly see that Class A is supposed to be 0-531 Students. I think this in itself clearly backs up the argument I was trying to make in my previous posts that some Class A schools HAVE to play other Class A schools that are twice their size to win a state championship. Something that doesn't happen in 2A or 3A.

 

If it was a poor example Sandman, then you can blame the KHSAA for the confusion, not me.

However, playing schools with twice your enrollment happens in AAAA often. Sometimes it is close to triple enrollment, therefore, it was time to add classes.

However, playing schools with twice your enrollment happens in AAAA often. Sometimes it is close to triple enrollment, therefore, it was time to add classes.

 

Read my previous posts. I stated that it only happens in 1A and 4A. I did in fact mention it happens in 4A in some of my earlier posts.